Are we trying to make a case for hit and run?

06/21/2007 12:27:27 PM · #26

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

What would the outcome have been if the guys in the car where also black? Would there still have been a fatal beating ? Not trying to profile anyone here. Just asking if you think the end result would have been the same. Personally I do not.

there have been several instances of the same senario where the driver was beaten to death and race had nothing to do with it.

DjFenzl

06/21/2007 12:28:59 PM · #27

I think this whole thing was most likely caused by a day of heavy drinking and an over reaction to a minor traffic incident. The kid that got hit was only 2. Someone in the group yelled at the guy in the car what the hell are you doing, the guy yells back he didn't even see the kid - the back and forth argument turns violent very quickly, alcohol clouding the judgment of the mob.

I'm just supposing though.

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06/21/2007 12:29:48 PM · #28

here is one with no racila overtones
link

another

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 12:31:16.

tate

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06/21/2007 12:30:21 PM · #29

I'm curious how badly the child was hurt and what exactly happened. We tend to want a simple answer for stuff like this and to point the finger at "racism" or something. I'm not sure I would jump to the conclusion that it was racial though - I think more details are needed.

digitalpins

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06/21/2007 12:31:03 PM · #30

I read that news link in the first post here and thats horrible

Bugzeye

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06/21/2007 12:39:03 PM · #31

How many of these happened at Juneteenth Day Festivals?

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

there have been several instances of the same senario where the driver was beaten to death and race had nothing to do with it.

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06/21/2007 12:44:40 PM · #32

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

How many of these happened at Juneteenth Day Festivals?

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

there have been several instances of the same senario where the driver was beaten to death and race had nothing to do with it.

so what? it shows that it happens without race. so if someting happens a fair ammout of times and race has nothing to do with it, and the same thing happens at a place where one race is the majority then it all of the sudden HAS to beabout race? I am not saying that it wasn't or couldn't ahve been but making assumptions is wrong as far as i am concerned. I find it jsut as bad as the idiots that watch the news syaing "yep just goes to show tha black people are violent" White peole get in fights all the time at Mardi Gras but no body talks about that.

kenskid

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06/21/2007 12:45:58 PM · #33

This was purely RACIAL! The media is ignoring. If a Mexican or white guy would have beaten a black man to death, Jackson and Sharpton would have been in the streets.

Juneteenth is another FAKE holiday celebration anyway. In a few years' time I'm sure Juneteenth will be in the running for a national holiday !

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kenskid

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06/21/2007 12:47:28 PM · #34

It was Racial.

Originally posted by metatate:

06/21/2007 12:48:40 PM · #35

Originally posted by kenskid:

you were there? what were the people beating him saying?

btw if someon hit my kid i may beat them too no matter what thier race.

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 12:51:27.

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06/21/2007 12:50:34 PM · #36

Originally posted by kenskid:

maybe so, but why shouldn't there be a celebration about abolishing slavery? sure seems more important thatn secrataries day.

RainMotorsports

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06/21/2007 12:51:47 PM · #37

Unless your an underpaid white secretary.

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06/21/2007 12:52:58 PM · #38

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Unless your an underpaid white secretary.

I assume this is in jest, but owning someone is a bit worse than not paying them enough.

kandykarml

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06/21/2007 12:54:07 PM · #39

I don't think anyone knows for sure if this was racial or not.. To make an argument AGAINST it being racial or FOR it being racial is all based on ZERO facts.. Nobody here was there !!! So, to argue this point is well, pointless..

I do remember seeing a post on a thread here a few weeks ago showing an Iraqi women being beaten in the streets by her family because she was marrying someone from a different religion.. And, I remember thinking to myself, what barbaric people.. How can the people stand by & watch this happen.. I comforted myself by thinking, good thing stuff like this never happens here.. I felt better about my life knowing I lived in a place where something like this would never happen..

Now, I see American's & America is no different.. There's no sense of security or feeling safe.. A simple accident can turn deadly.. Anywhere for any reason !!!

RainMotorsports

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06/21/2007 12:54:48 PM · #40

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Unless your an underpaid white secretary.

I assume this is in jest, but owning someone is a bit worse than not paying them enough.

oh that would be so funny if it wasnt so bad. I was also gonna be a smart ass and say the number of current secretarys also out numbers the number of living freed slaves.

But i held back.

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06/21/2007 12:55:32 PM · #41

Originally posted by kandykarml:

for the record i am not arguing that it wasn't racial, just that we can't assume it was without the facts.

kenskid

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06/21/2007 01:04:25 PM · #42

I think we have the facts. I guess some of us will have to hear a tape that shows the crowd shouting "get that Mexican bastard and kill his f**ing ass"

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by kandykarml:
I don't think anyone knows for sure if this was racial or not.. To make an argument AGAINST it being racial or FOR it being racial is all based on ZERO facts.. Nobody here was there !!! So, to argue this point is well, pointless..

for the record i am not arguing that it wasn't racial, just that we can't assume it was without the facts.

justamistere

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06/21/2007 01:06:39 PM · #43

It just can happen, more from alcohol, and mob-mentality, no matter what the race of the hour happens to be at the time and place.

It seems that violence is in the nature of mankind, an inate defect, that needs to be used more wisely.

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06/21/2007 01:11:51 PM · #44

Originally posted by kenskid:

I think we have the facts. I guess some of us will have to hear a tape that shows the crowd shouting "get that Mexican bastard and kill his f**ing ass"

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the fact that his last name was Morales? I have read 7 articles about it and nobody mentions any facts. they all say "mob mentality"

Chinabun

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06/21/2007 01:14:02 PM · #45

i'll chime in, i dont really care regardless, but you said above about the nature of the festival and then you're talking about the guy beaten being hispanic....since when did hispanics have blacks as slaves? Are you saying the black people were mad about slavery from being at the festival and thought hey lets beat up this hispanic guy? i think it's funny how people like "you" can pull the race card about other people but when "they" do it, it's all wrong. Everyones a freakin racist in my book. People just pick and choose when to do it.

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
It wasnt the driver that was murdered
The passenger died, the drive ran away.

No, the driver "escaped the crowd" according to the news story. What do you think would have happened if he hadn't?

If anyone doesn't understand this or believe about the tensions between the black and hispanic communities, then you need to research it. Actually, all you have to do is watch Freedom Writers. True story. Also a sad/happy, amazing, and eye opening story.

briantammy

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06/21/2007 01:14:51 PM · #46

Originally posted by justamistere:

alcohol seems to be the only other "logical" reason but i think it just releases inhibitions.

I believe it was probably deep rooted racism.

briantammy

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06/21/2007 01:17:56 PM · #47

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

i agree with you, you shouldn't assume it was racisim and call it case closed, but at the same time you shouldn't rule out from the beginning the most obvious cause.

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 13:24:05.

kandykarml

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06/21/2007 01:19:48 PM · #48

Originally posted by kenskid:

I think we have the facts. I guess some of us will have to hear a tape that shows the crowd shouting "get that Mexican bastard and kill his f**ing ass"

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by kandykarml:
I don't think anyone knows for sure if this was racial or not.. To make an argument AGAINST it being racial or FOR it being racial is all based on ZERO facts.. Nobody here was there !!! So, to argue this point is well, pointless..

for the record i am not arguing that it wasn't racial, just that we can't assume it was without the facts.

I think that you THINK YOU have all the facts, but my friend if you weren't there, then you don't have ALL the facts.. You have the name of the deceased, images of him being beaten by African Americans and you have made the assumption, they did it BECAUSE he was hispanic.. I won't even attempt to assume why this happened.. It just happened though.. I think that believing every news report you hear & read is the first mistake when it comes to understanding why something happened.. They tell us what that particular news broadcast station wants to tell us..

I just think it's irresponsible to make a statement such as "IT WAS RACIAL" when you don't know.. Just as I think it's irresponsible to say "IT WASN'T RACIAL".. It goes both ways..