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 06/06/2007 02:55:23 PM · #26
The D80 is a significant upgrade to the D70 I have both. Having ISO 100 and a 10mp file makes it worth to me every penny I spent on my D80. The image file is better anyway you look at it.

Yes the buffer is not as big but I am not a sports shooter nor do I shoot anything that I would need 5fps for right now.

D80 $999
D200 $1300

That 300 dollars is the difference between a new so so lens and a killer lens.

ETA: The LCD is bigger too!

Message edited by author 2007-06-06 15:02:45.
 06/06/2007 03:04:34 PM · #27
It is a full stop difference. There could be a situation where I would have to stop down my 50 f/1.4 to f/16. But it is horribly soft at f/16. So I'd rather use a stop faster shutterspeed than a stop slower aperture. It is not always about freezing motion.

But, one must admit that in most situations, light conditions do not allow such a fast shutter speed.

I never shot with larger aperture than f/2.8.

Also, it seems that the LCD of the D80 is slightly different from the LCD of the D200.

Message edited by author 2007-06-06 15:07:28.
 06/06/2007 03:31:34 PM · #28
Originally posted by msieglerfr:
It is a full stop difference. There could be a situation where I would have to stop down my 50 f/1.4 to f/16. But it is horribly soft at f/16. So I'd rather use a stop faster shutterspeed than a stop slower aperture. It is not always about freezing motion.

But, one must admit that in most situations, light conditions do not allow such a fast shutter speed.

I never shot with larger aperture than f/2.8.


I even forgot that, I prefer to shoot larger than f/2.8 actually. But you get huge amounts of light in. But I want to keep my DOF as it is and on the D70 I cannot go any slower with the ISO. So in that scenario you do need the faster shutterspeed (or an ND filter).
 06/06/2007 04:00:55 PM · #29
Originally posted by msieglerfr:

I do not think that the sensors of the D80 and D200 are the same, but does that mean there are any differences, the answer is I don't know


As I already stated, they ARE the same.

Here's a quote from digital review:
"10.2 effective megapixel Nikon DX Format CCD image sensor captures up to 3,872 x 2,592 pixel size images. The D80 incorporates the same sensor found in the Nikon D200 and the Sony A100."

Link to entire D80 review where I quoted that text from can be found here.
 06/06/2007 04:06:35 PM · #30
I do not think so. But I do not know the right answer that could explain the 2 (D80) and four channels (D200). Can someone give us the right answer? I would appreciate.

From Ken Rockwell's website:

The D80 has the D200's 10 MP image sensor,* the look, quality and color of the D200's images, the D200's huge viewfinder and the D200's almost three-dimensional 2.5" LCD. This makes the D80 the best DSLR at any price under $1,600, and especially for $999. The D200 is $1,699.

(* OK, it's the Sony ICX493AQA sensor, which is a two-channel version of the four-channel Sony ICX483AQA used in the D200. The difference is one has more pins so it can read out data quickly enough for the D200's 5FPS, otherwise it's the same data and image quality.)

Is what Ken Rockwell say correct?

Message edited by author 2007-06-06 16:09:28.
 06/06/2007 04:10:13 PM · #31
Originally posted by msieglerfr:
I do not think so. But I do not know the right answer that could explain the 2 (D80) and four channels (D200). Can someone give us the right answer? I would appreciate.


It is the same sensor except for the the buffer that is why the D200 has 4 channels it needs it for the 5fps the D80 has 2 channels as it has a 3fps and does not need the extra 2 channels that is the only difference. So Toohip is correct it is for all purposes the same Sony sensor.

I hate to say it but yes Ken is correct...

Message edited by author 2007-06-06 16:10:56.
 06/06/2007 04:14:13 PM · #32
Thanks guys
 06/12/2007 01:43:03 PM · #33
I don't know why no one has mentioned it, but the D200 can power up a full 0.03 seconds faster than the D80. In the fast paced world today, that's like a lifetime and that's what sold me on the D200.
 06/12/2007 01:51:20 PM · #34
Originally posted by jpeters:
I don't know why no one has mentioned it, but the D200 can power up a full 0.03 seconds faster than the D80. In the fast paced world today, that's like a lifetime and that's what sold me on the D200.


Hilarious
 06/12/2007 01:52:34 PM · #35
I would never get the D80 for this reason â€Â¦
The D70 has 1/8000 shutter â€Â¦Ã‚ just a strange thing to downgrade the D80 to 1/4000.

Originally posted by wavelength:
[quote=thegrandwazoo]
Maximum Shutter Speed D80 1/4000 VS D200 1/8000
06/12/2007 02:03:42 PM · #36
I recently upgraded - and switched camps - from my old Canon D30 (still for sale!!!) to a D80.

Very happy with the D80. I played with the D80 and the D200 in the camera shop and liked the feel of the D80 in my hands. Lighter weight, nice grip, feels more like a traditional SLR. Some of the high-end DSLRs these days feel like you're carrying around a Hummer.

Image quality, AF, metering, responsiveness are all good on the D80. Viewfinder is very nice. For some specialized work like pro sports etc I imagine the D200 or something even higher-end would be good to have.
 06/12/2007 02:22:19 PM · #37
Originally posted by wlevy:

Very happy with the D80. I played with the D80 and the D200 in the camera shop and liked the feel of the D80 in my hands. Lighter weight, nice grip, feels more like a traditional SLR. Some of the high-end DSLRs these days feel like you're carrying around a Hummer.


Hummm... What "Traditional" slr's are you comparing this to as the D200 sure feels more like a traditional SLR to me than the much smaller D80.

Go play with an F5 or an F100 for a while! ;-)
 06/12/2007 02:26:43 PM · #38
Originally posted by LanceW:

the much smaller D80.


D200
147 x 113 x 74 mm
(5.8 x 4.4 x 2.9 in)

D80
132 x 103 x 77 mm
(5.2 x 4.1 x 3.0 in)

Yeah so much smaller. ;-D

Message edited by author 2007-06-12 14:27:06.
 06/12/2007 02:34:02 PM · #39
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by LanceW:

the much smaller D80.


D200
147 x 113 x 74 mm
(5.8 x 4.4 x 2.9 in)

D80
132 x 103 x 77 mm
(5.2 x 4.1 x 3.0 in)

Yeah so much smaller. ;-D


Details, Details... ;-) It sure seems "Much" smaller to me when actually using it...
 06/12/2007 03:07:26 PM · #40
Could you imagine yourself missing anything on a D200?

I couldn't. The D200 is more than I could want or need so I have no idea why I should wait for a newer model.
 06/12/2007 03:10:03 PM · #41
Originally posted by metatate:
I would never get the D80 for this reason â€Â¦
The D70 has 1/8000 shutter â€Â¦ just a strange thing to downgrade the D80 to 1/4000.

Originally posted by wavelength:
[quote=thegrandwazoo]
Maximum Shutter Speed D80 1/4000 VS D200 1/8000


I can only think of one image that I shot at 1/8000th of a second. It was still blurred.
heheheheheh Does seem strange to downgrade, unless they can save significant money doing so.
 06/12/2007 03:14:27 PM · #42
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:


D200
147 x 113 x 74 mm
(5.8 x 4.4 x 2.9 in)

D80
132 x 103 x 77 mm
(5.2 x 4.1 x 3.0 in)

Yeah so much smaller. ;-D


D200 weight 830 dry

D80 weight 536 dry

You'd notice that.

(grams, I believe)

Message edited by author 2007-06-12 15:15:05.
 06/12/2007 03:16:39 PM · #43
Sure but size and weight are two different things. And we know the D200 is a TANK.
 06/12/2007 03:22:00 PM · #44
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Sure but size and weight are two different things. And we know the D200 is a TANK.


It's a beautiful TANK! Esp. with the Vertical Grip... ;-)
 06/12/2007 03:43:18 PM · #45
The D80 w/grip is nothing to sniff at just a little lighter.



But really where the hell is the Full Frame Nikon? I mean COME ON ALREADY!
 06/12/2007 04:26:05 PM · #46
The D200 is effectively water resistant (said the nikon guy), so if you shoot in foul weather a lot. the D80 also went to SD cards - so if your'e addicted to (or heavily invested in) CF. (although I just got a 4GB SD card for all of $40...

- J
 06/12/2007 05:57:52 PM · #47
allright so bottom line is ???

i realy wanted to get the D200, but with the lens the damn thing is almost at 1600$

the D80 is around 1100-1200, that's 400$ cheaper that's without couting the insurance.

the thing is i want professional grade camera , can the D80 do it ?
 06/12/2007 06:01:39 PM · #48
Originally posted by zaflabout:

the thing is i want professional grade camera , can the D80 do it ?


YES!



Message edited by author 2007-06-12 18:02:41.
 06/12/2007 07:50:54 PM · #49
Didn't read the entire thread, so please forgive any redundant reasons. I think the D200 is a much better deal, and here are the main reasons...

1. Ruggedness. Besides better water, dust and impact resistance the shutter is expected to last twice as long as the D80's, so that alone makes it a wiser investment in my opinion.

2. Built-in time-lapse intervalometer. You would need to resort to 3d party alternatives since it can't use the Nikon's MC-36 (see 10 pin below)

3. The ability to use older manual focus glass (some of the best lenses ever made) without losing metering. Since most Nikon's can not use these lenses without metering loss, the lenses aren't holding their true value (eBay!)

4. True mirror lock-up instead of the mirror pre up of the d80 (which the D200 has also)

5. 10-pin terminal (great for GPS, timers, etc.)

6. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think the D80 has user banks. When I go from my D200 to my D70s I hate that I have to go through the menus to change a lot of settings for different shooting parameters. I have my D200 for RAW, jpg saturated & vivid, jpg portrait with natural skin tones, etc.

I hate memory form factors other than compact flash, but with the low cost of memory today this is not as a big a deal. But still if you have or later plan to upgrade to a professional level of camera it would be a pain in the butt to have two different cards and possibly readers.
06/12/2007 07:59:11 PM · #50
Originally posted by hyperfocal:

3. The ability to use older manual focus glass (some of the best lenses ever made) without losing metering. Since most Nikon's can not use these lenses without metering loss, the lenses aren't holding their true value (eBay!)



Wow, I didn't know this! So essentially you can use any lenses with the D200?
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