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06/06/2007 01:52:58 PM · #1 |
I was just wondering...what are the chances of having a NO EDITING challenge?...just strait from the camera..like in the "OLD" days when you took a pic, sent it to the dark room (or wal-mart), and waited to see how it came out. I think it would be very interesting to see what people can do without the benefit of adjusting the light, color, sharpness etc....just a thought!
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06/06/2007 01:55:39 PM · #2 |
| There is a ruleset for that and we do it every now and then. |
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06/06/2007 01:58:21 PM · #3 |
Don't you realize that the dark room (and walmart) do post processing? They adjust colors, improve sharpness, have filters for processing that are used to improve images. Heck, I took a couple undergrad courses teaching these techniques...IF you want the old days, take a look at the post processing that guys like Ansel Adams used to get those amazing photos...Those were not straight from the camera masterpieces - he worked for those.
Originally posted by okiesisi:
I was just wondering...what are the chances of having a NO EDITING challenge?...just strait from the camera..like in the "OLD" days when you took a pic, sent it to the dark room (or wal-mart), and waited to see how it came out. I think it would be very interesting to see what people can do without the benefit of adjusting the light, color, sharpness etc....just a thought! |
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06/06/2007 02:01:02 PM · #4 |
In my darkroom I used to make double exposures. I hope that's part of minimal edit too ;P
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06/06/2007 02:03:17 PM · #5 |
straight from the camera shots might be a pain in the neck because you have to keep turning your head to see the portrait orientations. Not to mention how much time it would take to load up a 2mb image that is so large you can only see 10% of it at a time.
The minimal ruleset is basically what your talking about except they've taken the above into consideration. |
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06/06/2007 02:06:21 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by pccjrose:
Don't you realize that the dark room (and walmart) do post processing? They adjust colors, improve sharpness, have filters for processing that are used to improve images. Heck, I took a couple undergrad courses teaching these techniques...IF you want the old days, take a look at the post processing that guys like Ansel Adams used to get those amazing photos...Those were not straight from the camera masterpieces - he worked for those. |
well...Adams is actually more what I was talking about...hehehe
Thanks yall
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06/06/2007 02:08:42 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by okiesisi:
well...Adams is actually more what I was talking about...hehehe
Thanks yall |
he would spend hours processing a shot. dodge and burn like crazy. |
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06/06/2007 02:20:44 PM · #8 |
| Do the terms 'dodge' and 'burn' come from techniques used in manual processing film? |
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06/06/2007 02:21:48 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by bdenny:
Do the terms 'dodge' and 'burn' come from techniques used in manual processing film? |
Yes |
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06/06/2007 02:22:45 PM · #10 |
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06/06/2007 02:22:57 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by bdenny:
Do the terms 'dodge' and 'burn' come from techniques used in manual processing film? |
No, from manual printing from the negative to paper. Nobody exhibited negatives ... |
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06/06/2007 02:24:07 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by bdenny:
Do the terms 'dodge' and 'burn' come from techniques used in manual processing film? |
Yes |
My yes is from the complete darkroom process.
GeneralE just clarified it down to the printing process. |
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06/06/2007 02:25:32 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by bdenny:
how was it done? |
Dodging involved interposing a shield -- usually a round piece of cardboard on a stick (like a lollipop) and interposing it into the light beam between the negative and the print paper in an enlarger. You wave it around to block some of the light and lightening that area.
Burning would mean blocking all but the area you want to darken and giving that area extra exposure.
Message edited by author 2007-06-06 14:26:01. |
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06/06/2007 02:26:45 PM · #14 |
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06/06/2007 02:28:35 PM · #15 |
| This is one reason each print made by someone like Adams was distinct and individual -- even though he kept meticulous intructions about what masks to use and where to wave them around and for how long, he was not a machine, and 100% precise replication is just not possible. |
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06/06/2007 02:33:57 PM · #16 |
How about just challenge a color lab processing only and use auto setting only?
This challenge show how you use the camera instead a masterpieces darkroom.
Originally posted by pccjrose:
Don't you realize that the dark room (and walmart) do post processing? They adjust colors, improve sharpness, have filters for processing that are used to improve images. Heck, I took a couple undergrad courses teaching these techniques...IF you want the old days, take a look at the post processing that guys like Ansel Adams used to get those amazing photos...Those were not straight from the camera masterpieces - he worked for those.
Originally posted by okiesisi:
I was just wondering...what are the chances of having a NO EDITING challenge?...just strait from the camera..like in the "OLD" days when you took a pic, sent it to the dark room (or wal-mart), and waited to see how it came out. I think it would be very interesting to see what people can do without the benefit of adjusting the light, color, sharpness etc....just a thought! |
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06/06/2007 02:35:08 PM · #17 |
| I also think ansel would haved loved photoshop... |
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06/06/2007 02:36:31 PM · #18 |
| As was noted, the Minimal Rules already cover this situation, and we do run some challenges using it, but we usually won't tell you in advance. |
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06/06/2007 02:37:34 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by electrolost:
I also think ansel would haved loved photoshop... |
Your opinion is confirmed by two people who knew/worked with him who have told me so. : ) |
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06/06/2007 04:31:08 PM · #20 |
Most of what is available in photoshop are direct dark room techniques. The biggest difference is how long it takes to see the result.
If you want to see how it felt to do it the old way, load up photoshop cs2 on a computer from the early 90's and do a little dodging a burning.
dodge... burn... dodge.. burn
wait 5 minutes to see the result
dodge... burn.. dodge.. burn
wait 5 minutes to see the result.
ahhh yes the days in the uni. dark room where the hours went by like minutes trying to get a few prints completed for the dead line.
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06/06/2007 04:34:49 PM · #21 |
well...its actually getting far, far away from my original thought...I was actually going for the 1970-80 35mm or even a 110 owned by regular joe (no darkroom), he took pictures on vacation, came home and dropped them off at the local 1 hour photomat (remember those?) and when he picked em up he is suprised by what he captured and what he missed.....
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06/06/2007 05:14:24 PM · #22 |
I think the earlier suggestion about using the Miminum Editing rule set is what you intended. Since we already have that...
Originally posted by okiesisi:
well...its actually getting far, far away from my original thought...I was actually going for the 1970-80 35mm or even a 110 owned by regular joe (no darkroom), he took pictures on vacation, came home and dropped them off at the local 1 hour photomat (remember those?) and when he picked em up he is suprised by what he captured and what he missed..... |
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06/06/2007 05:19:13 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by pccjrose:
I think the earlier suggestion about using the Miminum Editing rule set is what you intended. Since we already have that...
Originally posted by okiesisi:
well...its actually getting far, far away from my original thought...I was actually going for the 1970-80 35mm or even a 110 owned by regular joe (no darkroom), he took pictures on vacation, came home and dropped them off at the local 1 hour photomat (remember those?) and when he picked em up he is suprised by what he captured and what he missed..... |
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yea very first response answered the question. here are some challenges that are exactly as you describe
this one
and this one
there have been others as well. |
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06/06/2007 05:25:08 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by pccjrose:
I think the earlier suggestion about using the Miminum Editing rule set is what you intended. Since we already have that...
Originally posted by okiesisi:
well...its actually getting far, far away from my original thought...I was actually going for the 1970-80 35mm or even a 110 owned by regular joe (no darkroom), he took pictures on vacation, came home and dropped them off at the local 1 hour photomat (remember those?) and when he picked em up he is suprised by what he captured and what he missed..... |
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And the lab did the post processing for him. |
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06/06/2007 05:26:13 PM · #25 |
LOL- So the discussion thread begins again...
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by pccjrose:
I think the earlier suggestion about using the Miminum Editing rule set is what you intended. Since we already have that...
Originally posted by okiesisi:
well...its actually getting far, far away from my original thought...I was actually going for the 1970-80 35mm or even a 110 owned by regular joe (no darkroom), he took pictures on vacation, came home and dropped them off at the local 1 hour photomat (remember those?) and when he picked em up he is suprised by what he captured and what he missed..... |
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And the lab did the post processing for him. |
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