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06/03/2007 09:29:18 AM · #1 |
I'm wanting to do more low-light, action photography, and low light in general. The noise at the higher ISO to get the shutter speed needed to stop the action or simply avoid shake-blur is annoying. I can only NI so much.
I've got a few decent lenses (see profile) and getting the wider view with a non-cropped sensor is another bonus that would really help me out.
I'm staying Canon, and as far as I know the next body up from the Rebel is the 5D. Is that right? The price on a 5D in Canada is over $3,000CAN, but I see one for just over $2,000US from the DPC link. Are these places for real? I just assume drive down & buy one, or order one to my US address if Canada is going to be an asshat.
Q's:
1. Is 5D the next body up from Rebel?
2. I'm assuming the quality at higher ISO is worth the upgrade.
3. It will fit the lenses I have now for my Rebel XT... right?
4. Where is a good place to buy one? The pricing is getting high enough that I'm willing to consider options other than Henry's if the percentage gain is worth my while.
5. I could wait until September, maybe. Is there a significant advantage to waiting?
6. Am I missing any important questions?
Thanks for any help/advice!
Message edited by author 2007-06-03 09:32:49.
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06/03/2007 09:32:29 AM · #2 |
The next body up is actually the 30D. That's really a very good body, but as far as image quality, the 5D is in another league.
ETA: The bottom-line price from reputable sellers for a 5D body-only is about $2680 USD. Anything substantially less, sleaze alert.
Message edited by author 2007-06-03 09:34:56. |
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06/03/2007 09:36:02 AM · #3 |
400xt, 20d, 30d, 50d/1dmk2 is the order i'd put them in.
the sigma 10-20 won't work on FF but i believe all the others will.
I hear the 5D's noise is great, but some owners should chime in for that question.
www.BHphoto.com is always a good place to start looking.
Technology is always getting better, but i haven't heard any rumors about new cameras coming out. It can always happen. |
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06/03/2007 09:39:41 AM · #4 |
the 30D might be your better bet if you want to get into action photography - I had read reviews somewhere (unfortunately I can't seem to find them) that touted the 30D as being better for sports photography than the 5D. Something to do with the buffer for continuous shots, I think, although I can't clearly remember - the 5D isn't "bad" for it, the 30D is simply comparatively faster.
30D is a cropped sensor, 5D is full frame, you might want to decide according to that factor as well.
if the lenses you have are EF-S - built for the cropped body, you cannot use these on the 5D
the 5D handles noise excellently
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06/03/2007 09:40:29 AM · #5 |
Everyone thought there would be a few new bodies announced at the PMA conference, but none appeared. The 5D and 30D are both overdue for upgrade (historically it seems to be every 18 months or so), so it might pay to wait a little bit. Either to get a brand-new body with bells and whistles, or save a fair bit on the 'older' ones.
Just my thoughts! |
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06/03/2007 09:45:14 AM · #6 |
| I would wait and see what canon comes out with in the next little while. They have to update the 30D soon... don't they? |
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06/03/2007 09:45:39 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
the 30D might be your better bet if you want to get into action photography - I had read reviews somewhere (unfortunately I can't seem to find them) that touted the 30D as being better for sports photography than the 5D. Something to do with the buffer for continuous shots, I think, although I can't clearly remember - the 5D isn't "bad" for it, the 30D is simply comparatively faster.
30D is a cropped sensor, 5D is full frame, you might want to decide according to that factor as well.
if the lenses you have are EF-S - built for the cropped body, you cannot use these on the 5D
the 5D handles noise excellently |
The 30d has the edge over the 5D on FPS (5.5fps compared to the 5D's 3FPS) however, if noise , or lack thereof, is more important then the 5D completely trounces the 30D, I am confident enough to shoot weddings with the 5D at ISO1600 and know the results will be of a high enough quality. Even my colleagues 1DMK2 (not 1ds mk2) is noiser than my 5D at those high ISOs.
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06/03/2007 09:57:52 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
...ETA: The bottom-line price from reputable sellers for a 5D body-only is about $2680 USD. Anything substantially less, sleaze alert. |
Ah, that's goo to know. Henry's price is looking OK, then, and it's nice to buy in town. Though their price is "with Canon Rebate", and I don't do rebates, so if/when I do buy I'll be in their store at the cash saying, "I'll buy this right here & now, but you take off the rebate & deal with it yourselves, I don't do rebates." Rebates are a deal breaker for me, no matter what! I'll go Nikon before I deal with a rebate!
Originally posted by kyebosh:
.... the sigma 10-20 won't work on FF but i believe all the others will.... |
Holy crap! I love that lens, and I was hoping to get even wider-angle using it on a FF sensor... :-( Say it anit so! I'd be willing to crop in PP, or whatever!!!
:-(
Originally posted by cheekymunky:
Everyone thought there would be a few new bodies announced at the PMA conference, but none appeared. The 5D and 30D are both overdue for upgrade (historically it seems to be every 18 months or so), so it might pay to wait a little bit. Either to get a brand-new body with bells and whistles, or save a fair bit on the 'older' ones.... |
Oh... food for thought. I'd be getting the lower-priced "older" model.
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by krnodil:
the 30D might be your better bet if you want to get into action photography .... the 5D handles noise excellently |
The 30d has the edge over the 5D on FPS (5.5fps compared to the 5D's 3FPS) however, if noise , or lack thereof, is more important then the 5D completely trounces the 30D, I am confident enough to shoot weddings with the 5D at ISO1600 and know the results will be of a high enough quality. Even my colleagues 1DMK2 (not 1ds mk2) is noiser than my 5D at those high ISOs. |
Noise level is a MUCH greater concern to me than FPS.
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06/03/2007 10:20:38 AM · #9 |
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06/03/2007 10:24:06 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Ah, that's goo to know. Henry's price is looking OK, then, and it's nice to buy in town. Though their price is "with Canon Rebate", and I don't do rebates, so if/when I do buy I'll be in their store at the cash saying, "I'll buy this right here & now, but you take off the rebate & deal with it yourselves, I don't do rebates." Rebates are a deal breaker for me, no matter what! I'll go Nikon before I deal with a rebate!
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Wow, bad experiences with rebates in the past?
I must admit I was slightly apprehensive about the rebate I was offered with my 5D, the list price at the time was £1799 but with a £200 inbox rebate it bought it down to £1599, so I sent off the rebate the day I got the camera, and a little under 3 weeks later a cheque came in the post for £200. mucho impressed! |
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06/03/2007 03:13:09 PM · #11 |
If you want the same field of view on the 5D, you'll to get something like the 16-35L or 17-40. Sigma makes a 15-30 also, that works on full frame.
The 18-200 you have might not work either, you'll have to see if the description lists anything about EF-S or 'digital only'.
The 5D and XT would make a good pair, you could keep the 18-200 and XT for walking around with a more compact setup. |
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06/03/2007 03:40:55 PM · #12 |
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06/03/2007 07:39:40 PM · #13 |
| Sigma also makes a 12-24mm EX which works of Full Frame... I believe it's still the widest canon compatible Full Frame lens. |
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06/03/2007 09:20:22 PM · #14 |
Also besides the fact that there is little noise at high ISO's there is also little post-processing needed.
This is straight from camera. Crop,resize and save for web
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06/04/2007 11:15:51 AM · #15 |
With the lens situation, this is food for thought. Thanks for the links!
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06/04/2007 05:32:14 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by kyebosh:
.... the sigma 10-20 won't work on FF but i believe all the others will.... |
Holy crap! I love that lens, and I was hoping to get even wider-angle using it on a FF sensor... :-( Say it anit so! I'd be willing to crop in PP, or whatever!!!
:-(
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My understanding is that, unlike the Canon EF-S lenses, the Sigma DC lenses will mount on a full-frame camera (and work without destroying the mirror). You *will* have severe vignetting but you can crop it out.
Note that's just my understanding and you should find out for certain before you destroy your 5D :)
splidge
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06/04/2007 08:29:28 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Also besides the fact that there is little noise at high ISO's there is also little post-processing needed.
This is straight from camera. Crop,resize and save for web
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I just ordered a 5D today, and it should arrive around Thursday (yeah!). If THAT is straight out of the camera, I think I'm in love before it even arrives! I can't wait! Oh, and see my post about a 5D quandry. I got it for less than $2680 from a perfectly reputable company. Just for thought... |
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06/04/2007 08:38:19 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Pixlmaker:
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Also besides the fact that there is little noise at high ISO's there is also little post-processing needed.
This is straight from camera. Crop,resize and save for web
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I just ordered a 5D today, and it should arrive around Thursday (yeah!). If THAT is straight out of the camera, I think I'm in love before it even arrives! I can't wait! Oh, and see my post about a 5D quandry. I got it for less than $2680 from a perfectly reputable company. Just for thought... |
That does look great but remember that it was also taken with i top quality lens (i know you have some great lens just info for those that don't) |
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06/04/2007 08:40:34 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by splidge:
My understanding is that, unlike the Canon EF-S lenses, the Sigma DC lenses will mount on a full-frame camera (and work without destroying the mirror). You *will* have severe vignetting but you can crop it out.
Note that's just my understanding and you should find out for certain before you destroy your 5D :)
splidge |
That's what all their information indicates... |
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06/04/2007 08:47:48 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by Pixlmaker:
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Also besides the fact that there is little noise at high ISO's there is also little post-processing needed.
This is straight from camera. Crop,resize and save for web
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I just ordered a 5D today, and it should arrive around Thursday (yeah!). If THAT is straight out of the camera, I think I'm in love before it even arrives! I can't wait! Oh, and see my post about a 5D quandry. I got it for less than $2680 from a perfectly reputable company. Just for thought... |
That does look great but remember that it was also taken with i top quality lens (i know you have some great lens just info for those that don't) |
Yep, I noticed the lens you used, and I have one too. That's why I'm so happy. :) |
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