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 05/30/2007 01:49:41 PM · #26
The challenge asked "What do you believe in?" well...if I believe in the church ideals then I would take a picture of a church...if I believed in Jesus then I would take a picture of Jesus...and if I believed in a fork then I would take a picture of a fork...stop being overly sensitive.
 05/30/2007 01:51:18 PM · #27
Originally posted by inshaala:
ETYMOLOGY: 12c: French, from Latin religio bond or obligation, etc, from ligare to bind.

So atheists can justifiably say that the very concept of religion leaves them in stitches? : )

I'm sure glad I moved my entry to the other challenge -- I think my average vote here would be 0.8 ...
 05/30/2007 01:51:58 PM · #28
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
i believe in church. seems pretty simple to me.

Ah, but do you also believe in a synagogue, temple, or mosque?
 05/30/2007 01:58:08 PM · #29
Originally posted by litlbopeep:
The challenge asked "What do you believe in?" well...if I believe in the church ideals then I would take a picture of a church...if I believed in Jesus then I would take a picture of Jesus...and if I believed in a fork then I would take a picture of a fork...stop being overly sensitive.


:D Damn, I wish I'd thought of that. After some time spent hanging out with philosophers, I've decided that I believe the world exists, but I can't prove that it does. Heh, I could have taken a picture of a pint of beer, with the title 'I believe the glass exists'.
 05/30/2007 02:00:15 PM · #30
This is what I believe in ... I'm a Pastfarian but didn't think it would fly (pun intended) with the voters though! Be touched by his noodly appendage!

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
 05/30/2007 02:04:11 PM · #31
I believe there is no spoon.
 05/30/2007 02:04:30 PM · #32
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
Originally posted by litlbopeep:
The challenge asked "What do you believe in?" well...if I believe in the church ideals then I would take a picture of a church...if I believed in Jesus then I would take a picture of Jesus...and if I believed in a fork then I would take a picture of a fork...stop being overly sensitive.


:D Damn, I wish I'd thought of that. After some time spent hanging out with philosophers, I've decided that I believe the world exists, but I can't prove that it does. Heh, I could have taken a picture of a pint of beer, with the title 'I believe the glass exists'.


No...you believe in the beer!!!! :)

Message edited by author 2007-05-30 14:05:56.
 05/30/2007 02:20:14 PM · #33
Originally posted by Rooster:


Yes, of course. But what are the standards by which we measure a DNMC? Also, voing low is not the only recourse. One could very well choose not to vote on the image.


Then we wouldn't have this lovely threads don't you think?? we would have those "soo many views - no votes" threads.

People is never happy!! go out shoot something!!! with the camera of course ;)

Message edited by author 2007-05-30 14:27:54.
 05/30/2007 02:25:11 PM · #34
Originally posted by Valdo:
Originally posted by Rooster:


Yes, of course. But what are the standards by which we measure a DNMC? Also, voing low is not the only recourse. One could very well choose not to vote on the image.


Then we wouldn't have this lovely threads don't you think?? we would have those "some many views - no votes" threads.

People is never happy!! go out shoot something!!! with the camera of course ;)


I am already come back from the daily shooting :D
 05/30/2007 02:26:06 PM · #35
What's wrong with using a church, mosque, synagogue, or other religious building, or any religious symbol, for this challenge? The danger to me would be the possibility of cliché, not a DNMC problem.

Originally posted by wavelength:
Without religion there wouldn't be any holy places you nits. That is all.
I concur. :-)

Message edited by author 2007-05-30 14:26:57.
 05/30/2007 02:28:03 PM · #36
Originally posted by GeneralE:

I'm sure glad I moved my entry to the other challenge -- I think my average vote here would be 0.8 ...


It's not that bad for me at this moment, but it looks like it. Apperently this is a too sensitive subject. I don't think the voters looks to the photo in this challenge anymore.
 05/30/2007 02:28:46 PM · #37
Originally posted by Rino63:
Originally posted by Valdo:
Originally posted by Rooster:


Yes, of course. But what are the standards by which we measure a DNMC? Also, voing low is not the only recourse. One could very well choose not to vote on the image.


Then we wouldn't have this lovely threads don't you think?? we would have those "some many views - no votes" threads.

People is never happy!! go out shoot something!!! with the camera of course ;)


I am already come back from the daily shooting :D


I envy you, I am here unable to move away (don't know the reason). Maybe I'll go get some popcorn.
 05/30/2007 02:30:38 PM · #38
Originally posted by formerlee:
Perhaps I misunderstood this challenge, I thought it was what you believe in? Not churches, christianity or monestaries. Many religions do not use churches and to vote them low because they don't seem to meet the criteria for a place of worship is showing a serious lack of knowledge and understanding of what religion really is. It also shows complete disregard for non-christian beliefs.


I think anything you believe in would work for this challenge. Including non christian beliefs. My arguments are directed at those voters who say DNMC just because it IS a building. Whatever you believe in works for the challenge and too many people are closed or narrow minded and too quick to jump on the DNMC wagon - not just for this challenge but for many of them.

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by inshaala:
ETYMOLOGY: 12c: French, from Latin religio bond or obligation, etc, from ligare to bind.

So atheists can justifiably say that the very concept of religion leaves them in stitches? : )

I'm sure glad I moved my entry to the other challenge -- I think my average vote here would be 0.8 ...


I think even atheism is a religion of sort. My mom says she's an athiest and she has "bonded" or "stuck" to that belief. An athiest could've entered this challenge with a shot of gravestones and titled it "when it's over it's over".

It's just frustrating when there are people out there who cannot see beyond their noses. Everything is Black or White and there is no grayscale.... because to them if it isn't their view of the the world then its wrong. If they read the challenge description one way then that's the way it is and everything that doesn't fit into their view gets a 1 and a DNMC comment.
*sigh* okay I'm relaxed... even they have an opinion and should be allowed to express it... I suppose.

Message edited by author 2007-05-30 14:35:04.
 05/30/2007 02:36:30 PM · #39
Originally posted by Sheryll:
Everything is Black or White and there is no grayscale....


I agree, I've never seen a true B&W photo here that scored great. There seems to be always some gray in it. (luckely)
 05/30/2007 02:46:43 PM · #40
Originally posted by hajeka:
Originally posted by Sheryll:
Everything is Black or White and there is no grayscale....


I agree, I've never seen a true B&W photo here that scored great. There seems to be always some gray in it. (luckely)


Urm unless you were being sarcastic i think Sheryll was talking about absolutism in voting - ie it is right or wrong and no in-between.
 05/30/2007 02:49:23 PM · #41
Originally posted by inshaala:

DNMC voters who seem to like to be overly pedantic when deciding dnmc on a CONCEPTUAL challenge.


A big +10 to inshaala for his apt use of the word pedantic.

My way of thinking is that the challenge has to be vague in its description. Otherwise, it will be nothing more than spoonfeeding ideas to photographers. Might as well have a challenge that instructs us to go take a photo of a door...any door, just process the hell out of it so it looks better than anyone else's door.
 05/30/2007 02:50:57 PM · #42
a church is made of flesh and bone not stick nor stone
05/30/2007 08:49:23 PM · #43
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I think that the main problem in this challenge is that the title and the description are somewhat at odds. IMO one doesn't necessarily connect solidly with the other.


I came to the forums to see if others thought there were way too many buildings. No worries about that, I'll let it be. However I do agree completely that the title and description are very much at odds for most people. I think a title of "Faith" would go much better with the description "What do you believe in?". A title of Religion could be anything from yoga and Monday Night Football to terrorism and holy wars.
 05/30/2007 11:59:56 PM · #44
I thought there were too many buildings, too. I very nearly added one to it, but shot something else instead. But, you gotta admit, some of those building photos are pretty stunning.
 05/31/2007 12:39:36 AM · #45
Originally posted by Efergoh:
I thought there were too many buildings, too. I very nearly added one to it, but shot something else instead. But, you gotta admit, some of those building photos are pretty stunning.


Yes my first thought was where is the prettiest, coolest church but, knew that this would be well covered in the challenge so I thought okay what about praying hands or prayer then I realized that this too would be well covered so I chose to do one of the other well covered items in a very different way and now I'm paying for it. It seems it isn't being too well received so far. That's what I get I guess for trying something out of the ordinary. I don't have the issue of DNMC but I don't agree with those who are getting that. i didn't see one shot that didn't fit one way or another.
 05/31/2007 01:12:26 PM · #46
The Bible says not to forsake the gathering together of the brethern. Therefore, church/going to church is a part of the Christian religion. I think the churches/mosques/temples do meet the challege definition, but there's so many of them! It's hard to stand out.

I think giving a score like a 1 should be reserved for something that is offensive... or if you think it's deliberately offensive.
 05/31/2007 01:25:28 PM · #47
Originally posted by litlbopeep:
The challenge asked "What do you believe in?" well...if I believe in the church ideals then I would take a picture of a church...if I believed in Jesus then I would take a picture of Jesus...and if I believed in a fork then I would take a picture of a fork...stop being overly sensitive.


This from somebody whom has just recently joined our ranks. My hero!
 05/31/2007 01:42:37 PM · #48
I'd like to gently point out that the challenge TOPIC is "Religion" and the challenge DESCRIPTION is "What do you believe in?"

I don't think you can separate one from the other here; I don't think this is a challenge where you can say "I believe in forks" and expect to get a free pass, because forks are not a religion, they aren't even remotely religious. I don't think this challenge is anywhere NEAR as conceptual as some people seem to think it is. So I'm not at all surprised to see quite a few DNMC claims springing up.

But what do I know?

R.
 05/31/2007 01:53:17 PM · #49
I didn't see a fork picture and I voted on every picture in the challenge.
 05/31/2007 02:17:37 PM · #50
Only in America - American Fork Religion & Spirituality

The challenge is two-fold. The challenge was 'Religion' with the underlying details of 'What do you believe in'. If somebody truely believes in 'forks' (which I'm sure was just an abstract, random object) AND the photo of the fork is of good quality, then, it is not DNMC. It just doesn't meet the voters sense of religion. It may not be a winner but it is still not DNMC. If somebody believes in 'church' and they show a poor photo of a church, then should that photo finish in front of the good fork photo? No, but it probably will. Sad when this website (I'm thinking) is supposed to be mainly about photography and not the subject matters of the photo. [edit part - unless the challenge calls for a specific object - like forks for instance!)

Without a 'Belief' in something, there would be no 'Religion'. That 'belief' does not have to be in something mainstream or classic. (Unless you want to please the masses - again, which is sad to me. Without out-of-the-box thinking, the World would still be flat!)

But I'll agree with Bear_Music - What do I know?

Message edited by author 2007-05-31 14:19:37.
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