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05/23/2007 07:43:13 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by L1:
It stands to reason, though, that the buses are probably contributing less to pollution by transporting 72 kids at a time, instead of 72 cars driving kids around individually. |
I dunno, Laurie. The well-maintained ones, maybe so. But I've seen some MASSIVE clouds of black spew coming from some of the buses around here... :)
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05/23/2007 07:47:27 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by saracat:
But I've seen some MASSIVE clouds of black spew coming from some of the buses around here... :) |
Those massive amounts of black spew from diesel engines aren't as bad for the environment as the clear fumes from the exhaust pipe of the average passenger car.
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05/23/2007 07:48:30 PM · #53 |
Maybe not for the environment, but they don't do my lungs too much good. Not to mention the paint on my WHITE car... :)
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05/23/2007 07:55:26 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by saracat:
But I've seen some MASSIVE clouds of black spew coming from some of the buses around here... :) |
Those massive amounts of black spew from diesel engines aren't as bad for the environment as the clear fumes from the exhaust pipe of the average passenger car. |
Right, particulates are higher but CO2, CO, and N2O are all lower. |
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05/23/2007 07:55:49 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by saracat:
Originally posted by L1:
It stands to reason, though, that the buses are probably contributing less to pollution by transporting 72 kids at a time, instead of 72 cars driving kids around individually. |
I dunno, Laurie. The well-maintained ones, maybe so. But I've seen some MASSIVE clouds of black spew coming from some of the buses around here... :) |
The average passenger bus gets 1.2 - 2.0 MPG! Carry what 30 people? Luckily a single Mass transit bus will carry more then that people get on and off... lol
Dont forget about the stations switching to ultrea low sulfer deisel. And all vehicles made after 2007 required to use it. theres 100 times less sulfer in it.
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 20:03:29. |
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05/23/2007 08:02:29 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Airplane designs typically have up to a 30 year life span and the design turn around is about the same. |
787 and 747-8 (major re-design from the 400) are both going from original concept to the air in 4-5 years. but that's another thread. |
Id love to pm this to you to keep it out of the thread but i cant... wont let me. The 787 is also based on a previous concept and is designed by a computer. SLightly related but not to the 787The 777 which was their first airplane to be designed complelty by computer was publicly announced as a concept in 1992 i never kept up to see when it actually came out. I hardly think an alternative power concept air transport will come out 5 years start to finish or last as long as many other planes have.
This thread is about gas prices but remember all consumption relates to the shortage and part of the price.... then you go with inflation.
Personally i spent 200 a month fueling my pickup toyota got stolen, add 200 a month in payments and 140 a month in insurance.... the 64 a month i pay for public transit is nice!
Ill have a motorcycle soon that gets 55 to 70 mpg. i would et a larger bike but 30 mpg is petty gas mileage.
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 20:07:21. |
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05/23/2007 08:03:46 PM · #57 |
There is no airplane in existence that was designed BY a computer :-P
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05/23/2007 08:04:19 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
There is no airplane in existence that was designed BY a computer :-P |
Leroy... and they say im a smartass! I sayed BY Computer not "BY A"
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 20:04:42. |
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05/23/2007 08:07:20 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
... But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury. |
Yes indeed... I could always take my bicycle for the 40 miles trek to work. I would have rather long days, but I am certain I would be healthier for it... assuming I didn't get run over by a smartcar. :O)
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05/23/2007 09:02:01 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
There is no airplane in existence that was designed BY a computer :-P |
Leroy... and they say im a smartass! I sayed BY Computer not "BY A" |
Actually...
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
The 787 is also based on a previous concept and is designed by a computer. |
You did in the first line :) |
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05/23/2007 09:03:14 PM · #61 |
| Damn it....... LMAO thanks for pointing it out! |
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05/23/2007 09:04:48 PM · #62 |
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Message edited by author 2007-05-23 21:17:35.
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05/23/2007 09:16:03 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
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I get my lips brown enough at work none for you lol. |
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05/23/2007 09:17:08 PM · #64 |
Opps, I picked the wrong smiley... I thought that was a KICK ass one.
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05/23/2007 09:18:21 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Opps, I picked the wrong smiley... I thought that was a KICK ass one. |
Can we get one with 5 levels says exxon has some good gas prices and on the bottom says kick ass gas prices? |
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05/23/2007 10:12:21 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
The 787 is also based on a previous concept and is designed by a computer. SLightly related but not to the 787The 777 which was their first airplane to be designed complelty by computer was publicly announced as a concept in 1992 i never kept up to see when it actually came out. |
I think myself and the thousands of other engineers working ferverishly on the 747-8 and 787 would disagree with the designed by computer part. Strongly! There is a big difference between by computer and on computer.
And I can assure you that the 787 is a ground up new design. The 747-8 is a full redesign (almost all parts are new) and some major parts such as the wings are a ground up new design.
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 22:14:22.
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05/23/2007 10:18:56 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
... But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury. |
Yes indeed... I could always take my bicycle for the 40 miles trek to work. I would have rather long days, but I am certain I would be healthier for it... assuming I didn't get run over by a smartcar. :O)
Ray |
Correct, but are you required to live 40 miles from work?
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05/23/2007 10:29:45 PM · #68 |
| we should consider revisiting the power of steam and the coal. |
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05/23/2007 10:39:54 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by crayon:
we should consider revisiting the power of steam and the coal. |
Not to be critical but...
Yes coal, while we may have taken care of the cleanliness.
They haven't solved the need to destroy millions of acres to get the coal! |
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05/23/2007 10:50:17 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
... But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury. |
Yes indeed... I could always take my bicycle for the 40 miles trek to work. I would have rather long days, but I am certain I would be healthier for it... assuming I didn't get run over by a smartcar. :O)
Ray |
Correct, but are you required to live 40 miles from work? |
I'm not ray, so I can't answer for him, but you do realize that sometimes where you live depends on other things than where you work? |
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05/23/2007 11:06:49 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
... But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury. |
Yes indeed... I could always take my bicycle for the 40 miles trek to work. I would have rather long days, but I am certain I would be healthier for it... assuming I didn't get run over by a smartcar. :O)
Ray |
Correct, but are you required to live 40 miles from work? |
I'm not ray, so I can't answer for him, but you do realize that sometimes where you live depends on other things than where you work? |
Then why don't you chose to work near where you have to live because of those other things??? Is there only one place you can live and one place you can work?
If gas were $350/gallon I bet you would not live 40 miles from work?
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05/23/2007 11:07:47 PM · #72 |
| Or you might drive an electric car with a 100 mile range? HAHA sorry just funny to remember the EV-1's 90 something mile range. |
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05/23/2007 11:48:31 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Your heating oil comes from the same petroleum your gasoline does. When it runs down its the same problem.
Do you fly? Not gonna find many jets running on non petroleum based fuels. |
okay, great. you win. oil is needed to heat houses and fly planes because we'll never be smart enough to come up with better ways of doing that. But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury. |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Your heating oil comes from the same petroleum your gasoline does. When it runs down its the same problem.
Do you fly? Not gonna find many jets running on non petroleum based fuels. |
okay, great. you win. oil is needed to heat houses and fly planes because we'll never be smart enough to come up with better ways of doing that. But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury. |
I get the distinct impression that you are missing the point. Fueling a car is NOT a luxury, it is a necessity. The majority of the US is rural or suburban, and thus homes are not in a practical distance from one's job; and no, many of us cannot move a whole lot closer, which is no solution anyway, considering the rate of job turn-over these days. So if you need to feed yourself/ your family and aren't independently wealthy, gas is a necessity.
And the price of fuel affects everything, not just home heating, but all food, goods, and services, as they themselves are dependent on transportation. So to cover the increase in that cost, we consumers pay more at the checkout.
And I think many of us are angry about this spike in prices because of the impression we get that technology research and production of truly fuel efficient or fuel independent cars is being retarded in order to suck the most money possible from the public. The prevailing US attitude for years has favored big cars without regard for fuel consumption, and now that the attitude is changing, there are no good alternatives. Why? Because the car and oi companies will lose money if the embrace the change and give us what we want. That's frustrating.
On a final note, I have no sympathy for oil companies operating at a "measly" 10% profit margin when they are making record profits in the billions and paying their Top Brass obscene millions. I'm sorry, but to rake in that volume of cash and still lust after ever more when only a small percentage of their employees/the public will benefit from it is greedy.
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05/24/2007 12:12:37 AM · #74 |
Most people don't understand the problem. It's not global warming. China and India will multiply their carbon-based energy demand by 5 over the next 40 years. Worldwide, discovery of new carbon-based fuels has been less than demand since the 80's.
If demand doubles world wide (likely) and supplies remain constant or decline, prices will go through the roof and the US (among others) will fight a world war with China before 2050.
It ain't about global warming, that's just intramurals! It's about supply and demand, THAT'S the majors.
There is an alternative scenario ... US gets serious about non-carbon-based mobile fuels. I don't mean serious (like your child is seriously misbehaving) but SERIOUS like Kennedy-esque land-a-man-on-the-moon-before-the-end-of-the-dacade serious. The WORLD needs to become carbon fuel independant ... or supply and demand will wreck the world. I'm old. I can't really care. But if you LOVE your children - grandchildren - YOU had better care! |
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05/24/2007 02:05:15 AM · #75 |
think of the world BEFORE the petrol engine.
horses and carriages? sailing ships?
slower, but not so dependent on fuel |
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