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05/17/2007 03:33:51 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Western Digital, 1 Failure from overheating seems their new SATA Caviar line runs right on the max, in an airconditioned house your fine. Move to the ghetto u need a cooling fan.
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Google did a study on the heat of HDs and found that it did not affect failure rates.
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05/17/2007 03:35:08 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Western Digital, 1 Failure from overheating seems their new SATA Caviar line runs right on the max, in an airconditioned house your fine. Move to the ghetto u need a cooling fan.
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Google did a study on the heat of HDs and found that it did not affect failure rates. |
And I'm sure Google has enough HD's to know :-D
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05/17/2007 03:37:33 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Don't make me mention my playing with IBM punch cards in my crib... |
Best i can do is pull out a 1983 IBM 8088 PC Jr with a 300 baud modem and IR keyboard.
Message edited by author 2007-05-17 15:37:44.
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05/17/2007 03:40:59 PM · #29 |
Would not fancy doing a dfrag on these massive drives!
We currently have at work around 800TB server space and even that seems to be filling fast!
I have a 80gb hard drive on my home pc with about 12gb space left. My service provider (BT) offer a service called 'Digtal Vault'. There is a free 1gb storage for non-BT customers (dont know if this is UK only) , I have 2gb storage space at no cost. You can also have 20gb storage for £4.99 per month with auto backup.
BT Digital Vault
I do not work for, or have any connection with BT.
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05/17/2007 03:42:22 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Western Digital, 1 Failure from overheating seems their new SATA Caviar line runs right on the max, in an airconditioned house your fine. Move to the ghetto u need a cooling fan.
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Google did a study on the heat of HDs and found that it did not affect failure rates. |
I hate to tell you but in an 80 degree ambient enviroment both cuirrent WD Caviar SATA II drives in 250 and 500 GB flavors reach 127 degrees during a 4 GB transfer.
Same drives at the same ambient temperature playing F.E.A.R. reached 131+ degree's. At that temperature and beyond the hard drive controller is in serious danger.
The original 250 GB drive during a 100 Gb transfer tot he samsung drive had a controller failure, i woke up to the smell of burnt plastic. After running test on the same model drive and its sucessor I can only come to say it overheated.
In an air conditioned room the drive would peak at 120 at the worst. 114 with a fan on it. Sadly you think the 10,000 RPM raptor would have heat issues compared to this. Its not the heat you can have it sit at 120 degrees for long periods of time no problem but 131? heh.
Message edited by author 2007-05-17 15:49:17.
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05/17/2007 03:49:23 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Western Digital, 1 Failure from overheating seems their new SATA Caviar line runs right on the max, in an airconditioned house your fine. Move to the ghetto u need a cooling fan.
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Google did a study on the heat of HDs and found that it did not affect failure rates. |
And I'm sure Google has enough HD's to know :-D |
But I bet Google still has air conditioning ... |
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05/17/2007 03:50:55 PM · #32 |
As i said above and before, i moved into a place where either i run my computer or i run the A/C. Its one or the other lol. I just opted to run HDD cooling fans in addtion to whats in the case.
Any drive will fail due to heat if it reaches a high enough temperature for a long enough time. Its just not something you normally encounter.
Message edited by author 2007-05-17 15:51:41.
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05/17/2007 03:56:27 PM · #33 |
| Some of the LaCie and Maxstor models are made with no cooling fans -- instead they use an extra-thick aluminum casing as a massive heat-sink and just radiate the heat into the room ... very quiet : ) |
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05/17/2007 03:58:46 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Some of the LaCie and Maxstor models are made with no cooling fans -- instead they use an extra-thick aluminum casing as a massive heat-sink and just radiate the heat into the room ... very quiet : ) |
Chances are if its doing something to get hot either:
1 - It's a backup and im sleeping
2 - Im playing fear and cant hear the fans over the gun fire.
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05/17/2007 04:10:34 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
What will be really interesting is when the 1+TB drives come in laptop drives ... |
What'll be really interesting is when 1TB drives will not be big enough. 1GB was HUGE only 10 years ago. |
I can't believe I'm about to say this...
I can remember when 10 MB was considered impossible to fill.
Gods, I feel old. |
I started out when we saved our stuff on cassette tapes. ;) |
Don't make me mention my playing with IBM punch cards in my crib... |
How about paper holirith tape (pre-dated punch cards)? |
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05/17/2007 04:14:48 PM · #36 |
I have the Buffalo TeraStation 2TB (not pro). Bought it for $1000 at Fry's. It's great, got it about half full, but write times are real slow.
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05/17/2007 04:25:03 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Theres a difference between a drive that works, and a drive that works with minimal failure. 1 yeah i could probly get the specific drives im running 40 bucks cheaper online.
But after many hard drive failures, im skeptical.
Quantum - 7 Failures Absolute junk
Maxtor - Never had one fail..... Maxtor owns quantum now....EEK
Seagate - One failure, Respected name would buy again.
Western Digital, 1 Failure from overheating seems their new SATA Caviar line runs right on the max, in an airconditioned house your fine. Move to the ghetto u need a cooling fan.
Im skeptical about hitachi, samsung things like that I own samsung cell phones their great. I have a Samsung Hard drive it hasnt failed in 3 years of being beat the crap out of... maybe their okay.
LaCiE is a new name to me only seen it the past couple of years still not buying one.
You get what you pay for, and even good equipment fails under normal conditions. |
In my experiences Quantum, been years since I used their drives but since Maxtor bought them I swore never to touch them as I had lots of Maxtors crap out on me and that's when I went to seagate but at the time their drives ran real hot (talking late 90's early 00's) so I abandoned them and tried western digital. From that point on I never looked back, Ive built 150+ machines not including my own and yes Ive had a few failures but considering out of prob close to 250 drives I've prob had maby a dozen crap out before their time. Currently I have on my personal network at home 8TB (mirrored) across about 36 WD drives that all run 24/7 and there are a few that have been running non stop for the past 6 years and still going strong.
As for the heat issue, anyone puter savvy will tell you any electronic device will run better and longer if it can be kept cooler and hard drives are no exception.
-dave
*edit* forgot to add that Maxtor is no more as Seagate bought them a few months ago and pretty much shut Maxtor down as all they wanted was the manufacturing facilities.
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05/17/2007 04:30:02 PM · #38 |
oops!
Message edited by author 2007-05-17 16:32:08. |
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05/17/2007 04:31:38 PM · #39 |
Suddenly I'm starting to feel like a spring chicken ;-)
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05/17/2007 04:31:40 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
How about paper holirith tape (pre-dated punch cards)? |
I used these in my day - was able to read the perforations - these were produced on Perforators/reperforators. Amazing how technology has developed!
5 unit tape |
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05/17/2007 05:35:36 PM · #41 |
I don't think I would have any computer without a RAID. Right now I have 2 320GB Seagate HDs on a RAID. I hate loosing DATA! I agree with Dave in the respect of keeping things cool. I have 4 fans in my case right now that make sure things will keep cool and the processor will not overheat. The only thing I have ever owned was Seagate and I love them. If you have no backup of your photos and are relying on a HD that is older...GET A RAID
Remember- You can't replace pictures
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05/17/2007 05:45:19 PM · #42 |
That is what I am thinking right now just one one HD, (well the best overall pictures can be on up to three) but looking for a file server, or at least something like that with raid
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05/17/2007 07:10:12 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
1tb single drives should be hitting the market very soon. |
They have, and at the same store mentioned in the original post.
I saw a 1TB Western Digital external hard drive at Costco yesterday. I believe it was a "MyBook" and the price was approximately $340.00.
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05/17/2007 07:25:09 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
I saw a 1TB Western Digital external hard drive at Costco yesterday. I believe it was a "MyBook" and the price was approximately $340.00. |
You did? Excellent! I just bought a HD Tivo, and I've been looking for more storage. 1TB is big enough to store about 120 hours of HD content. |
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05/17/2007 07:28:55 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
I saw a 1TB Western Digital external hard drive at Costco yesterday. I believe it was a "MyBook" and the price was approximately $340.00. |
Wow, that's very reasonable, seeing I just spend $150 on a 250GB external 2-3 months ago.
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05/17/2007 07:34:35 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
1tb single drives should be hitting the market very soon. |
They have, and at the same store mentioned in the original post.
I saw a 1TB Western Digital external hard drive at Costco yesterday. I believe it was a "MyBook" and the price was approximately $340.00. |
That is a good deal. I have a "MyBook" 250 and a 500 and they have been great drives so far. |
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05/17/2007 07:43:38 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Western Digital, 1 Failure from overheating seems their new SATA Caviar line runs right on the max, in an airconditioned house your fine. Move to the ghetto u need a cooling fan.
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Google did a study on the heat of HDs and found that it did not affect failure rates. |
I hate to tell you but in an 80 degree ambient enviroment both cuirrent WD Caviar SATA II drives in 250 and 500 GB flavors reach 127 degrees during a 4 GB transfer.
Same drives at the same ambient temperature playing F.E.A.R. reached 131+ degree's. At that temperature and beyond the hard drive controller is in serious danger.
The original 250 GB drive during a 100 Gb transfer tot he samsung drive had a controller failure, i woke up to the smell of burnt plastic. After running test on the same model drive and its sucessor I can only come to say it overheated.
In an air conditioned room the drive would peak at 120 at the worst. 114 with a fan on it. Sadly you think the 10,000 RPM raptor would have heat issues compared to this. Its not the heat you can have it sit at 120 degrees for long periods of time no problem but 131? heh. |
So maybe it won't work in an oven...
The google report is referenced here.
Interesting Quote:
"The report said that there was a clear trend showing "that lower temperatures are associated with higher failure rates".
"Only at very high temperatures is there a slight reversal of this trend." "
PS I have WD Caviar drives in 2x120GB, 400GB and 500Gb capacities in a well ventilated case with no special precautions and have had no problems in a couple of years.
Message edited by author 2007-05-17 19:46:09.
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05/17/2007 08:23:28 PM · #48 |
I've been looking at this issue for a while...
I've been considering Infrant's ReadyNAS. These can be had for about $600 and change without hard drives. They support a variety of RAID including RAID5 + Hot Spare. However, they also offer a proprietary X-RAID option.
Now usually, I am avoidant of proprietary systems. However, first you can choose to run it as a standard RAID. Second, there is a point in which the feature set benefits outweigh the proprietary concerns. And I think this is one of those cases.
The think that is nice about Infrant's XRAID is that it is highly adaptable. Not only can it re-build the RAID array if a drive fails. But you don't have to start it as a RAID5. You can buy the box and stick in one drive. Then add a second drive and it will automatically mirror. Add a 3rd drive and it will convert itself to RAID5.
But here is the best part. Say you do what I plan to do. Buy 4 250gig+ SATA hard drives on sale for like $100. Giving you 1TB or 750gig as RAID5. What is neat about the ReadyNAS' XRAID system is that it will allow you to expand the raid. The RAID will always be limited by the smallest hard drive. But say there is a good deal on 750gig drives but limit 2 per customer. You could buy them and stick them in the ReadyNAS. It won't change yet. But say the next month you're able to afford to buy two more. Once all 4 drives are at 750gigs the ReadyNAS will expand the RAID to increase it's size. You go from a 1TB to 3TB. WITHOUT HAVING TO RELOCATE YOUR DATA - THAT'S PRETTY SWEET
//www.infrant.com/products/products_details.php?name=ReadyNAS%20NVPlus
So considering I can get a ReadyNAS for say $650. And I've found a few places where I could get four 400g-500g for about $500. That would put me at 2TB for about $1,200. That leaves you enough money to buy an iPod and an AppleTV...or a pretty nice lens. |
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05/17/2007 08:25:08 PM · #49 |
Oh yeah, for hard drive failure. I remember reading that heat was not as much of a suspect as many thought. But that one thing that showed a high correlation was drives being stopped/restarted.
Ironically, this seems to be an extremely common occurrence for most USB hard drives that we often seem to buy as back-ups. You plug 'em in. They go in sleep mode. You access they wake up then sleep again. Makes me wondering if we're actually more likely to kill the backup drives of ours.
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05/17/2007 08:28:11 PM · #50 |
| Matthew I didnt have any issues ever until i moved into this house lol. |
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