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05/10/2007 08:46:29 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by pamelasue:
Originally posted by theSaj:
I've been to some Meijer Fresh stores. They rock. Compete with Walmart but everyone I spoke to loved them a LOT more.
//www.meijer.com/
Sadly, privately held or I'd buy stock in them. |
Meijer is my grocery store ... love that place! |
You haven't really lived in Michigan until you've spent a late night wandering Meijer.
Meijer does rock.
And I still hate WalMart. |
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05/10/2007 09:12:09 PM · #27 |
| no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. It's pretty amazing that they are good enough to their employees that they are the worlds largest retail store. If they were bad they couldn't grow and open more stores. So on the other side, let them raise all prices by 25% and give the saving to their employees ... ya right. Then all the consummers would try to boycot them for high prices. If ya don't like them don't buy from them and don't work for them. Business is business and they have a good and fair business plan. AND no I don't own stock in them but I do shop them. |
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05/10/2007 09:40:15 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. It's pretty amazing that they are good enough to their employees that they are the worlds largest retail store. If they were bad they couldn't grow and open more stores. So on the other side, let them raise all prices by 25% and give the saving to their employees ... ya right. Then all the consummers would try to boycot them for high prices. If ya don't like them don't buy from them and don't work for them. Business is business and they have a good and fair business plan. AND no I don't own stock in them but I do shop them. |
What he said!
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05/10/2007 09:47:06 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by MrEd:
I shop at Walmart and always will....as long as their prices are lower then other places. How much they pay their employees and what kind of health coverage they give is not my concern. |
My experience is worth more. I do not base my purchase on price alone which is why I am willing to pay a little more for better service. |
I walk in knowing exactly what I need and am usually out in under 15 minutes. NEVER have I had a bad experience at Walmart. I'll bet part of that reason is that if you do, they may get fired.
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. |
Agreed, but a lot of the people that work there wouldn't be able to get jobs anywhere else. From the 70YO grandma to the 18YO part time student to the disabled guy in a wheelchair.....which, by the way, describes some of the workers at the one I shop at. The 'wheelchair guy' is one of the freindliest people there and probably wouldn't be hired anywhere else. And they do get medical benefits. Regardless of whether you and I think it's good benefits or not, it's more than I got at my first 5-6 jobs.
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05/10/2007 09:51:32 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. It's pretty amazing that they are good enough to their employees that they are the worlds largest retail store. If they were bad they couldn't grow and open more stores. So on the other side, let them raise all prices by 25% and give the saving to their employees ... ya right. Then all the consummers would try to boycot them for high prices. If ya don't like them don't buy from them and don't work for them. Business is business and they have a good and fair business plan. AND no I don't own stock in them but I do shop them. |
what you said, i had to agree. just like how people seem to HATE microso$f but still they are doing fine and that shows that they are doing something right, somehow. |
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05/10/2007 09:55:11 PM · #31 |
| I have a love/hate relationship with Wal-mart. I hate going, but there are times when it is literally the only place that has what I need. I live in a small, rural area, and I love to do business with the mom-n-pops operations around, when I can, I just can't much. :( |
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05/11/2007 03:28:29 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by banmorn:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Interesting, never heard of them. Though we don't have any Wal-marts close to here either. |
Not too close....but there are 17 WalMarts within 50 miles of you. |
Closest Walmart is 32 miles away without paying a bridge toll. $4.00 to get to the ones that are closer. |
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05/11/2007 06:48:37 AM · #33 |
I hate going to walmart supercenter but I shop there every Sunday. No other store around here can beat their prices. The only reason I hate going there is because of the long lines and because there is always little kids running around like it's their playground.
But i'd rather pay 2.50 for a 12 pack of coke than 4.99 from our small chain grocer.
Message edited by author 2007-05-11 10:29:54. |
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05/11/2007 07:42:30 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by MrEd:
I shop at Walmart and always will....as long as their prices are lower then other places. How much they pay their employees and what kind of health coverage they give is not my concern. |
Well pay cheaper prices there and higher taxes and insurance premiums because Walmart does not want to provide decent healthcare to their employees.
This type of thinking is the one of the problems with America now. If it doesn't affect me then why should I care? Every American that does not have health care, or decent health care has a direct impact on the rest of us. Every American who has to work for minimum wage impacts on us.
I am lucky enough to have a great insurance plan where I work and I don̢۪t have to pay half my paycheck for it, but my deductibles are going up each year. The main reason is so many people without insurance are using the emergency room as a doctor's office because it's free, or so they think. But it hits me in my pocket and companies that "save" me money like Wal-Mart are to blame. That company makes enough profit to pay the employees a decent wage and decent benefits.
I would say that most of the employees at these companies do not have a huge choice where they work because they either live in a more rural setting or the job market where they live is not strong.
I personally don̢۪t shop at Wal-Mart, I hate the stores, the crowds and the feeling of disorder when I have shopped there. Target is my store of choice. Both are in equal driving distance of my home. I am lucky to have a choice. Just like grocery store chains, I can choose between all the big chains, Safeway, Giant, Wegmans, Harris Teeters, and the new Food Lion stores, Bloom and Bottom Dollar, not to mention Costco.
Sorry, I get really fired up when people can turn their backs on other humans because it doesn̢۪t impact your life, but trust me it does in a very subtle way. If your insurance has increased each year, if your emergency rooms are packed to the rim, then it impacts you.
Karen, who is climbing off the soapbox now..
Message edited by author 2007-05-11 07:44:06. |
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05/11/2007 08:05:35 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
Originally posted by MrEd:
I shop at Walmart and always will....as long as their prices are lower then other places. How much they pay their employees and what kind of health coverage they give is not my concern. |
Well pay cheaper prices there and higher taxes and insurance premiums because Walmart does not want to provide decent healthcare to their employees. |
Go to any Walmart and look at the people that work there. 90% of them wouldn't be hired by your company to begin with. From the 60+ retiree to the 18YO student to the 'disabled' guy in a wheelchair (all 3 btw describe greeters where I shop). The fact that they get ANY kind of insurance is a plus.When I started working (ealy 80's) I didn't get insurance from my company. But, I didn't have a choice because I needed the money. Who are you, or I, to tell a company what kind of insurance coverage to give there employees? As for the 'liveable wage' issue. The lady with 3 kids in Penn & Teller's video above was ecstatic to be making $8.50/hr rather than be on welfare. The fact you and I couln't 'make it' on that rate is irrelevant. Though, we would if we HAD to.
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05/11/2007 09:04:54 AM · #36 |
| I shopped a Walmart in my home town of Salisbury, NC and it was a clean, nice store. It was well stocked, and the employees acted like they wanted to be there...in fact, there was a waiting list for prospective employees. Now, I live in Naples, FL and I hate to go in the Walmart here. All the employees speak spanish, and you can never get any help. The store is dirty and the shelves sometimes look like a bomb went off there earlier. There have been several occasions when I am standing in line, and the cashier is talking to a customer/friend in a foreign language, and the customer is buying an entire cart of things and the bill rings up to $5.00!! I do shop at Publix, and I love this grocery store. We also have Sweet Bay here, and I love that store as well. Sweet Bay is owned by Hannafords up North. All of the Winn Dixie's shut down here. |
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05/11/2007 09:18:37 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I work for a chemical company that sells and attempts to sell our products to Wally World and let me tell you they suck.
They squeeze you of your last penny of profit and then demand more lest lose their business. Not to mention slotting fees for Walmart & other big box retailers start around 400k usd. What kind of smallish US manufacturer can sport that that kind of cash up front. Hell they put Rubbermaid out of business and all of Rubbermaid's manufacturing equipment was auctioned off to a company in china that makes shit for Walmart. They are killing manufacturing in the US to the point we import almost everything. Whats with that man?
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Um, Rubbermaid is not out of business. They're headquartered here in Atlanta.
Otherwise, I generally agree with you. |
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05/11/2007 09:23:35 AM · #38 |
| Elmes They have only been headquartered there for a year and theyve been bought out lol. |
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05/11/2007 09:28:04 AM · #39 |
I did work on a low wage, 11,000 a year raising 2 children on my own,in 1983. Was it a choice, yes, I am the one who decided to leave an abusive marriage. But I manage to get a job that gave me benefits. I could not afford car insurance if I wanted to buy groceries and I made too much money(ha) to get any support from the goverment.
As far as the unhirable, my mother got a full-time job making 50,000 a year at the age of 70. Does she have to work, yes Both of my girls who are 19 have jobs making over 40k and they just graduated from High School. People are hirable, they just may not be in an area where there are jobs like there are here in DC.
Anything can be done if people hit the big companies in the pocket. Stop shopping at Wal-mart for 1 month and see how fast they change. Just like buying "green" cars, will make an impact on the oils companies, but only if we care.
Message edited by author 2007-05-11 09:43:36. |
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05/11/2007 09:39:45 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
I did work on a low wage, 11,000 a year raising 2 children on my own,in 1983. Was it a choice, yes, I am the one who decided to leave an abusive marriage. But I manage to get a job that gave me benefits. I could not afford car insurance if I wanted to buy groceries and I made too much money(ha) to get any support from the goverment.
As far as the unhirable, my mother got a full-time job making 50,000 a year at the age of 70. Does she have to work, yes Both of my girls who are 19 have jobs making over 40k and they just graduated from High School. People are hirable, they just may not be in an area where there are jobs like there are I live in.
Anything can be done if people hit the big companies in the pocket. Stop shopping at Wal-mart for 1 month and see how fast they change. Just like buying "green" cars, will make an impact on the oils companies, but only if we care. |
Our Ford dealer employees several people between 65-72 in MAINSTREAM positions, such as Management, Parts Salesmen, Inventory Control, SHipping and Recieveing. We also have a couple that work the kid positions such as car porters.
We aint no walmart but i can also point out that when i worked for mcdonalds they employee cashiers over 60 making a good dollar more an hour then 18 years that have been there for 4 years.
As for buying green cars to hurt the oil companies. Oil companies just need to start making Hybrid Batteries. The Customer cost NOT COVERED BY Warranty for the main battery on a Ford Escape Hybrid is 7200 dollars which is replaced every 4 or so years. The toyota Prius has the same battery change interval.
Message edited by author 2007-05-11 09:43:44. |
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05/11/2007 09:46:15 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. |
I'm sure many of them would get another job, they'd probably prefer their old job at their uncle's store that was driven out of business by WalMart. You make it sound as if jobs are plentiful, perhaps where you live they are, but I can assure you that is not the case everywhere.
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
If ya don't like them don't buy from them and don't work for them. |
I don't buy from them and working for them is out of the question too.
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Business is business and they have a good and fair business plan. |
Does a good and fair business plan include bullying local zoning commissions and building a store despite the protests of the people who have to live next to it?
I still hate WalMart
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05/11/2007 09:54:45 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. |
I'm sure many of them would get another job, they'd probably prefer their old job at their uncle's store that was driven out of business by WalMart. You make it sound as if jobs are plentiful, perhaps where you live they are, but I can assure you that is not the case everywhere. |
Im sure if his uncles business had not been run out of business theyd have 20 locations in his state 10 years later.
Anyone remember that Walton's (Now Walmart) Was a "Mom and Pop's" business at one time. They just had a more sucessful dream. |
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05/11/2007 10:03:31 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
no one forces anyone to work at Walmart or any where else. If people think they are not fair then they need to simply go get another job. |
I'm sure many of them would get another job, they'd probably prefer their old job at their uncle's store that was driven out of business by WalMart. You make it sound as if jobs are plentiful, perhaps where you live they are, but I can assure you that is not the case everywhere. |
Im sure if his uncles business had not been run out of business theyd have 20 locations in his state 10 years later.
Anyone remember that Walton's (Now Walmart) Was a "Mom and Pop's" business at one time. They just had a more sucessful dream. |
It's not a dream anymore, for many folks, WalMart's a nightmare come true. |
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05/11/2007 10:07:02 AM · #44 |
| I too not a Wal-Mart fan. I compare the products they sell with others, I see a big difference. They don̢۪t have variations as compare to other stores including Target. What I heard is Wal-Mart does not have there own designers as compare to other sellers. I like to do shopping at Target as there are variations in the product range. Some time its not money but quality of the product that leads me to the store. |
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05/11/2007 10:12:21 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
As for buying green cars to hurt the oil companies. Oil companies just need to start making Hybrid Batteries. The Customer cost NOT COVERED BY Warranty for the main battery on a Ford Escape Hybrid is 7200 dollars which is replaced every 4 or so years. The toyota Prius has the same battery change interval. |
This is sadly true. My husband has Honda Civic Hybrid and we will be sure to tradeit in before the battery needs to be replaced but for now he gets almost 48mpg. |
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05/11/2007 10:13:10 AM · #46 |
throw my hat into this is ring
I wish we had a publix around here, we do have a mejer around here though. I hate walmart, not because it's a faceless corperation or it doesn't pay it's employees health care, but because the people that work there are usualy angry, mean, rude, and downright aweful. no one there seems happy to be there. I'm sure that this comes down to bad pay and stuff, but I don't think I'm happy to shop there because no one is happy to be there. I do think the lower prices are nice, but you really get what you pay for. they have above ground pools for 150 bucks, but do you really think that pool is going to be around in 3 years? We are lucky, in my town there is a local farm market open 7 days a week called barn and bunk, linky!. people travel from all over the world for their strawberry festival. I got my first job there picking strawberries, paid by the pound and I still shop there almost three times a week for fresh fruit and veggies. There prices are awesome,(29cents for a pound of red potatoes) and I know it's grown local. There ice cream is out of this world too, hand turned every day or so! ohh I love that place
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05/11/2007 10:35:44 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
As for buying green cars to hurt the oil companies. Oil companies just need to start making Hybrid Batteries. The Customer cost NOT COVERED BY Warranty for the main battery on a Ford Escape Hybrid is 7200 dollars which is replaced every 4 or so years. The toyota Prius has the same battery change interval. |
This is sadly true. My husband has Honda Civic Hybrid and we will be sure to tradeit in before the battery needs to be replaced but for now he gets almost 48mpg. |
Ford dealer cost for the battery is just over 5 grand. Ive heard rumor's that the Prius Battery costs about 1500 to manufacturer. Which means it probly can be had for 3500. Not sure about honda yet.
Anyways im way off topic now so back you Walton! LOL |
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05/11/2007 10:51:31 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Elmes They have only been headquartered there for a year and theyve been bought out lol. |
You're laughing why?
Getting bought out does not equal going out of business. Are you suggesting AT&T went out of business?
And who cares how long they have been here? They're here now. They're paying Georgia taxes. They're employing Georgians. That works for me. Thanks to Rubbermaid, a thousand-plus Georgians have jobs and can put food on the table and roofs over their heads.
I'm not praising Rubbermaid as some sort of bastion of corporate citizenship or anything, just correcting your error. |
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05/11/2007 10:54:39 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by elemess:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Elmes They have only been headquartered there for a year and theyve been bought out lol. |
You're laughing why?
Getting bought out does not equal going out of business. Are you suggesting AT&T went out of business?
And who cares how long they have been here? They're here now. They're paying Georgia taxes. They're employing Georgians. That works for me. Thanks to Rubbermaid, a thousand-plus Georgians have jobs and can put food on the table and roofs over their heads.
I'm not praising Rubbermaid as some sort of bastion of corporate citizenship or anything, just correcting your error. |
AT&T and AT&T Wireless are two different things.
And BTW Cingular is reversing the name change. Its no "AT&T is the new Cingular" Its now "CIngular is the new AT&T". Not sure why they decided to change.
ANd buyouts occur for many reasons. Many are not disclosed or are covered up.
Sirius Bought out XM, they are both failing companies that have never reported a profit. They record millions in losses every year. |
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05/11/2007 11:12:20 AM · #50 |
I think he meant as a business producing product in the US. I suspect most of their product is made overseas.
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