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 05/10/2007 01:13:13 PM · #1951
They DQ'd it? But it was no more than three pictures.
Seems rather ambiguous. But I do applaud the risk, and it was (and still is) a very cool triptych.
 05/10/2007 01:13:52 PM · #1952
Originally posted by posthumous:
Back when I submitted to the Triptych challenge, I said I was taking a risk I'd never taken before, but I didn't say what it was.

The risk was being DQ'd, and it came to fruition today. I wasn't trying to be DQ'd. I was trying to make the best possible triptych that I could within the rules, but the rules are vague about what exactly you can do with your three pictures. Instead of taking the safe route of a black background, I decided to use one of my three pictures as the background also. I was still clearly in the spirit of "triptych", showing something from three perspectives in order to create one bigger perspective.

Anyway, this makes me feel happy. Not because I agree with the SC decision. I don't, and their official ruling doesn't explain their reasoning anyway. I'm happy because I didn't let fear of something as silly as a "DQ" keep me from participating fully. It wasn't easy for me to do, believe it or not.


Sorry to hear about the DQ but glad to hear you have a positive outlook about it. Don't quite understand what the nature of the DQ was either - can you solicit any sort of fuller explanation from them, for curiosity's sake, if not for the sake of appealing?
 05/10/2007 02:23:42 PM · #1953
Originally posted by posthumous:
Back when I submitted to the Triptych challenge, I said I was taking a risk I'd never taken before, but I didn't say what it was.

The risk was being DQ'd, and it came to fruition today. I wasn't trying to be DQ'd. I was trying to make the best possible triptych that I could within the rules, but the rules are vague about what exactly you can do with your three pictures. Instead of taking the safe route of a black background, I decided to use one of my three pictures as the background also. I was still clearly in the spirit of "triptych", showing something from three perspectives in order to create one bigger perspective.

Anyway, this makes me feel happy. Not because I agree with the SC decision. I don't, and their official ruling doesn't explain their reasoning anyway. I'm happy because I didn't let fear of something as silly as a "DQ" keep me from participating fully. It wasn't easy for me to do, believe it or not.


Law must be seen to be enforced. Or something. Damned shame. Hywind's dq is similar in that it innovates and produces an esthetic result so absolutely responsive to the genre. There are those who say Vincent was unhappy and there are those who say well, he did paint those pictures.
 05/10/2007 02:29:24 PM · #1954
Hey Team Suck members:

I know this is a pretty common question here at DPC (couldn't find the answer with a straight search in the forum)...

Is multiple exposures in camera considered legal in basic? I seem to recall something about this NOT being legal. Need to use it for my "Silky Smooth" shot and just thought I would ask for some help.
 05/10/2007 02:35:05 PM · #1955
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Hey Team Suck members:

I know this is a pretty common question here at DPC (couldn't find the answer with a straight search in the forum)...

Is multiple exposures in camera considered legal in basic? I seem to recall something about this NOT being legal. Need to use it for my "Silky Smooth" shot and just thought I would ask for some help.

I can't remember either - your best bets are to either a) start a thread and ask, or b) send a request to Site Council.
 05/10/2007 02:46:54 PM · #1956
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Hey Team Suck members:

I know this is a pretty common question here at DPC (couldn't find the answer with a straight search in the forum)...

Is multiple exposures in camera considered legal in basic? I seem to recall something about this NOT being legal. Need to use it for my "Silky Smooth" shot and just thought I would ask for some help.


this is what's in the basic rules:
"You MAY...
use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera."

sounds like you can't :(
05/10/2007 02:53:48 PM · #1957
Bah, there goes my silky smooth idea. I guess I need to go out and buy an 8 stop ND filter now.
 05/10/2007 03:02:26 PM · #1958
oops. double post.

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 15:03:28.
 05/10/2007 03:03:10 PM · #1959
Yeah, I'm a ditz today. :)
 05/10/2007 03:03:10 PM · #1960
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Hey Team Suck members:

I know this is a pretty common question here at DPC (couldn't find the answer with a straight search in the forum)...

Is multiple exposures in camera considered legal in basic? I seem to recall something about this NOT being legal. Need to use it for my "Silky Smooth" shot and just thought I would ask for some help.


Any time you have a rules question, the first place to look is ... say it with me ... in the rules. :P

Heck, that part is even in bold!
 05/10/2007 03:51:58 PM · #1961
klstoverdid you read my PM.

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 15:53:22.
 05/10/2007 06:03:04 PM · #1962
Originally posted by bmartuch:


I hear they can sew the thumbs back on if you're quick enough.


Man, it's going to be hard to fave any more of your photos with no thumbs, LOL!
 05/10/2007 06:07:00 PM · #1963
Yes I did - I just replied.
 05/10/2007 09:12:38 PM · #1964
Originally posted by noraneko:
Originally posted by bmartuch:


I hear they can sew the thumbs back on if you're quick enough.


Man, it's going to be hard to fave any more of your photos with no thumbs, LOL!


When my boss found out I was Italian, he said to me " I suppose you have and Uncle Vito too". I said "Actually, I do".

So it's always been kind of a joke about Uncle Vito. You mess with me, and Uncle Vito and his brother Frankie will talk to you!
 05/10/2007 09:15:22 PM · #1965
Originally posted by levyj413:
I often send thoughts to the SC beforehand to ask whether they think something will be okay.


I don't know if this will make sense to you, but I didn't care what they thought. I myself thought it was okay based on my interpretation of the letter and spirit of the rules. If they want to DQ it afterward, they have the power to do that.
 05/10/2007 10:05:06 PM · #1966
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by levyj413:
I often send thoughts to the SC beforehand to ask whether they think something will be okay.


I don't know if this will make sense to you, but I didn't care what they thought. I myself thought it was okay based on my interpretation of the letter and spirit of the rules. If they want to DQ it afterward, they have the power to do that.

Makes perfect sense. You didn't mind being DQd if it came to that, and you're now demonstrating that was the appropriate approach for you, so again, good for you!

I'm less apt to take the risk. Such is the difference between us, at least in this case.
 05/10/2007 10:05:18 PM · #1967
Ohhhhh....I'm going to get sooooooooooo punished on my vanishing point shot but I did what I like.
 05/10/2007 10:39:24 PM · #1968
Originally posted by levyj413:
I'm less apt to take the risk. Such is the difference between us, at least in this case.


Worry not. I have no intention of grabbing at your shirt as I slide into the pit...
 05/10/2007 10:47:09 PM · #1969
I guess what I find interesting more than anything is the timing of the DQ. DQ or not - it's a very good pic.

Originally posted by posthumous:
Back when I submitted to the Triptych challenge, I said I was taking a risk I'd never taken before, but I didn't say what it was.

The risk was being DQ'd, and it came to fruition today. I wasn't trying to be DQ'd. I was trying to make the best possible triptych that I could within the rules, but the rules are vague about what exactly you can do with your three pictures. Instead of taking the safe route of a black background, I decided to use one of my three pictures as the background also. I was still clearly in the spirit of "triptych", showing something from three perspectives in order to create one bigger perspective.

Anyway, this makes me feel happy. Not because I agree with the SC decision. I don't, and their official ruling doesn't explain their reasoning anyway. I'm happy because I didn't let fear of something as silly as a "DQ" keep me from participating fully. It wasn't easy for me to do, believe it or not.

05/10/2007 10:57:42 PM · #1970

The sc have stated that getting their opinion beforehand is no guarantee that they won't dq you anyway, so don't trust that as a gold standard. There isn't one. It's all whim, folly, spite and favoritism subjective.

05/10/2007 11:00:41 PM · #1971
Originally posted by skewsme:
The sc have stated that getting their opinion beforehand is no guarantee that they won't dq you anyway, so don't trust that as a gold standard. There isn't one. It's all whim, folly, spite and favoritism subjective.


Absolutely right. It's no guarantee. But when several of them tell me it's on the edge, that gives me good guidance. I disagree it's quite as subjective as you think, although yes, the SC is a group of people like any other, and they may disagree with each other. So not all decisions are unanimous.

However, I'm really tired of your accusing them of favoritism, spite, etc., even when you're being cute by putting it in strikeout text. When you have actual evidence of malfeasance, I'm willing to consider it. But until then, please stop.

Back to Don's case, in case I wasn't clear, or there's some thinking I'm being sarcastic, I'm sincere in my admiring Don for taking the chance. I definitely play it safe, and it's cool he was willing to go for it.

Message edited by author 2007-05-11 01:19:25.
 05/11/2007 01:32:20 AM · #1972
Originally posted by skewsme:
The sc have stated that getting their opinion beforehand is no guarantee that they won't dq you anyway, so don't trust that as a gold standard. There isn't one. It's all whim, folly, spite and favoritism subjective.


I have found that asking if a certain style you are thinking of is within the rules, I have normaally been given a recommendation whether to use this method or not, leaving the choice to me, which I believe is good. mostly if you read the recommendation between the lines you can feel whether to use what you have asked or not.
05/11/2007 08:04:31 AM · #1973
I feel that if you submit a shot beforehand and the SC tells you there is no problem, that should be the end of it.

That is absolutely no different than a police officer telling you that it's ok to turn right on a red light at a particular intersection and then writing you a ticket when you do it. IMO, that is just plain wrong!
 05/11/2007 08:23:18 AM · #1974
Don kudos for submitting it,it's one of your best images yet. I have to say I don't understand the DQ particularly as I also used the same image for the background and survived validation, what gives? This image came 30th in the last Triptych challenge, the only difference I can see is that this one and mine used a lower opacity on the background but that's not in the rules anywhere.
05/11/2007 08:48:32 AM · #1975
Originally posted by levyj413:
However, I'm really tired of your accusing them of favoritism, spite, etc., even when you're being cute by putting it in strikeout text.


Yeah, and I'm really tired of you defending the powerful from the powerless. They're perfectly capable of defending themselves. But I guess we just have to live with each other.
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