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05/09/2007 06:53:28 PM · #1 |
first off sorry if this is obvious to the educated PS user but it wasn't to me and might not be to other novice or people just learning
Through recent conversations with MK and other SC members, I just recently learned that creating a layer such as brightness/contrast, hue/saturation, etc, on an image and then masking part of that layer is considered a selection tool and is not allowed in basic (and of course minimal) editing challenges.
In the rules guidelines it says: You can not..."use the marquee, lasso, or similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason other than cropping or creating a border". I had no idea masking was considered a "similar tool" or even as a selection, so some very good info from the SCs.
So just in case you are considering using this tool in such a manner, now you know.
Message edited by author 2007-05-09 18:53:39. |
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05/09/2007 06:55:09 PM · #2 |
A-yup. a masked layer is considered to have pixel data.
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05/09/2007 06:55:10 PM · #3 |
but
with a brush (masking) you're selecting a part of the image too, right?
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05/09/2007 07:09:58 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by biteme:
but
with a brush (masking) you're selecting a part of the image too, right?
;) |
Originally posted by _eug:
A-yup. a masked layer is considered to have pixel data. |
see I didn't realize this, I thought those layers didn't have pixel data on them so they were safe. |
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05/09/2007 07:50:34 PM · #5 |
| The safest way is to realise that whatever you do that it needs to be done (colour, saturation, lightening sharpening) to the entire picture, never by using any sort of tool or selector or eraser, etc, etc. |
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05/09/2007 08:00:10 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by biteme:
but
with a brush (masking) you're selecting a part of the image too, right?
;) |
And even without a brush ... such as using a gradient fill for the mask, it's still not legal for basic.
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05/09/2007 09:47:33 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Through recent conversations with MK and other SC members, I just recently learned that creating a layer such as brightness/contrast, hue/saturation, etc, on an image and then masking part of that layer is considered a selection tool and is not allowed in basic (and of course minimal) editing challenges. |
it's pretty simple to grasp that rule, actually.
in Basic editing, you are not allowed to do "selective editing" (you can only apply it to the entire image evenly), and so when you use a layer and perform selective masking (or anything else), it violated that rule. |
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05/09/2007 09:56:40 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by crayon:
it's pretty simple to grasp that rule, actually.
in Basic editing, you are not allowed to do "selective editing" (you can only apply it to the entire image evenly), and so when you use a layer and perform selective masking (or anything else), it violated that rule. |
Well yes and no. The key thing is YOU can't do the selecting but you can let the software do the selecting (but not all cases though). For example using Hue/Saturation allows you to "select" certain colors to adjust but since you're not creating a mask/selection yourself it's allowed but technically it IS selective editing. Ok now that I've probably confused the matter I'll leave. :P
Message edited by author 2007-05-09 21:57:02. |
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05/09/2007 10:12:54 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
first off sorry if this is obvious to the educated PS user but it wasn't to me and might not be to other novice or people just learning
Through recent conversations with MK and other SC members, I just recently learned that creating a layer such as brightness/contrast, hue/saturation, etc, on an image and then masking part of that layer is considered a selection tool and is not allowed in basic (and of course minimal) editing challenges.
In the rules guidelines it says: You can not..."use the marquee, lasso, or similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason other than cropping or creating a border". I had no idea masking was considered a "similar tool" or even as a selection, so some very good info from the SCs.
So just in case you are considering using this tool in such a manner, now you know. |
So does this mean that the SC should ask for validation on any basic editing entry you have had prior to this? :-)
MattO
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05/09/2007 11:59:48 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by crayon:
it's pretty simple to grasp that rule, actually.
in Basic editing, you are not allowed to do "selective editing" (you can only apply it to the entire image evenly), and so when you use a layer and perform selective masking (or anything else), it violated that rule. |
That is where I was having the problem understanding. I thought that since I was applying the layer to the entire image that I was safe. I didn't realize that masking was in fact "selectivly" editing the image.
Sure, it makes perfect sense now, but since I am learning by doing and not classes or reading, it took MK a bit to explain it to me...must be the old age and hard head (mine not MK's). |
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05/10/2007 01:43:18 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by crayon:
it's pretty simple to grasp that rule, actually.
in Basic editing, you are not allowed to do "selective editing" (you can only apply it to the entire image evenly), and so when you use a layer and perform selective masking (or anything else), it violated that rule. |
That is where I was having the problem understanding. I thought that since I was applying the layer to the entire image that I was safe. I didn't realize that masking was in fact "selectivly" editing the image.
Sure, it makes perfect sense now, but since I am learning by doing and not classes or reading, it took MK a bit to explain it to me...must be the old age and hard head (mine not MK's). |
yes, a layer is applied onto the entire image, but we just have to be careful not to perform selective editing on the layer because that is equal to selectively editing parts of the photo - that's my personal reminder to self!
p/s: mk's head is hard too |
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05/10/2007 01:47:01 AM · #12 |
Right - layer masks aren't allowed in basic.
However, the selective color adjustment tool is allowed. It's a little different from hue/sat, but despite the word "selective" in the name, it affects all pixels of a given color, so it's allowed.
You can't choose pixels and change their color, but you can select colors and affect all pixels of that given color.
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05/10/2007 02:32:36 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Right - layer masks aren't allowed in basic.
However, the selective color adjustment tool is allowed. It's a little different from hue/sat, but despite the word "selective" in the name, it affects all pixels of a given color, so it's allowed.
You can't choose pixels and change their color, but you can select colors and affect all pixels of that given color. |
yeah and that is exactly the adjustment I was talking to MK about...you can almost say she selectively saturated my desaturated knowledge of the subject lol. |
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