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 05/07/2007 03:08:23 PM · #101
Originally posted by digitalknight:
Dude - you waste so much energy on such trivia

Spend your energy finding an audience that appreciates your work, or take some more photos, or build a web site,

You talk about the pressures of youth, but look at the negative energy you've brought raining down on yourself. What's the point?

good point, again your always right! I just went from one end of the spectrum to the other end. Thanks for showing me that
and i do have another site i participate in and every single person there liked it alot.
and I'm doing a live concert wednesday night :) so im pretty stoked on that
 05/07/2007 03:35:01 PM · #102
Dustin you can always ask SC to lock your thread, you started it, you can ask to end it..

I think we all do need to keep your age in mind, my kids are your age, and I am so proud that, like you, they are respectful, outspoken, creative, artistic, etc.. and at the same time, standing your ground, absorbing, learning, gaining life skills.. You have demonstrated with your replies to comments in this thread that you fully understand what the poster has said to you, you have taken it on board and you might learn from their advice in the future, thats Growing, as a person and an artist. Don't mind the 'junior' comments, grown men start threads JUST like this, so learn from it and move on. Good Luck on your concert, contact me if you need any help building yourself a website :)

~Dana
 05/07/2007 03:39:14 PM · #103
Originally posted by kenskid:
I like the shot and it does not offend me. It is about a 5.5 to 6 IMO.

It is a set-up photo that you dreamed up....I don't understand what all the outcry is about.

IMO if this same set-up had been done by Joey Lawerence, it would have been met with RAVE reviews !


I agree on the first two points, but not the 3rd.

To my knowledge, Joey never started a thread whining about a score.

Regardless of the creator, the "gore" type of imagery has never done well on DPC and has not been well received. There are sites like where that sort of imagery is welcomed and generally praised.
 05/07/2007 03:44:39 PM · #104
Perhaps I'm sticking my neck out by saying it, but the thing I don't like about this site is how it seems to be so "clique-y". If you submit a photo that is on the edge or controversial you're going to get voted down because of the subject matter instead of the quality or artistic content of the photo. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. We are all artists in our own right, in our own minds, and in our own ways. Regardless of the fact that this is a competitive site, I think we should respect each others visions and work, and voting should be done based on quality and how well the photo fits the category. Someone else said it at the beginning of these posts, and I completely agree -- If you don't like someones photo, don't vote on it. It all goes back to that old familiar saying - "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." And remember, what goes around, comes around.
 05/07/2007 03:47:48 PM · #105
Originally posted by obisgrl:
If you don't like someones photo, don't vote on it


Wait, I'm confused - I shouldn't vote on a photo if I'm inclined to give it less than a 7? If I'm not allowed to express my (apparently cliquish) opinion of your entry, then what's the point? Why don't we just give everyone a blue ribbon for every entry, just like little league trophies?
05/07/2007 03:51:22 PM · #106
That's not exactly how I meant to come across....What I meant was that photos should be voted on based on their quality of the shot, and how well it fits with the category. I wouldn't give someone a 1 just because I don't like "staged" shots. I just wouldn't vote on it.
 05/07/2007 03:52:54 PM · #107
I'm going to request a lock for this, I have gathered all the information i needed, keeping it unlocked will just lead to more bickering

thanks for everyone putting in there opinions, even if i don't agree
 05/07/2007 03:57:41 PM · #108
I'm confused... You don't agree with the opinions proffered but yet you have gathered all the information you needed...How did you manage to do that?

Ray
 05/07/2007 03:58:37 PM · #109
Originally posted by obisgrl:
Someone else said it at the beginning of these posts, and I completely agree -- If you don't like someones photo, don't vote on it. It all goes back to that old familiar saying - "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." And remember, what goes around, comes around.


I'll say up front that none of this has anything to do with noisemaker's photo. I had no issue with the photo - I didn't vote on it because I didn't get to it.

That simply does not work. This is a competition and critique site.

Hypothetical and extremely unlikely situation:
* 100 photos are submitted to a challenge.
* 1 photo is a graphic depiction of death (or abortion, or...)
* 99 voters dislike that image but don't vote on it because of their dislike.
* 1 voter loves the image and rates it a 10.
* End of voting, that 1 image has an average vote of 10 and wins the challenge even though 99% of the people who viewed it couldn't stand it.

"Voting only on what you like" is purely bad advice and harms the site and its users in many ways.

1. The photographers never get the full opinion of their viewers and can stagnate in their work because they never see anything but praise for what may be "bad" photography.

2. Photos that the majority of people don't like end up with higher scores than they deserve because only those who liked them voted on them.

3. The photographers never learn to gauge their audience and make selections accordingly. You don't show a photo of graphic abuse in a women's shelter. You don't show a photo of an abattoir in a vet clinic. You have to know your audience.
 05/07/2007 04:00:10 PM · #110
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I'm confused... You don't agree with the opinions proffered but yet you have gathered all the information you needed...How did you manage to do that?


You don't have to agree with something to understand it.
 05/07/2007 04:01:58 PM · #111
I think what he's saying is that he's cooled off and doesn't want the arguments to continue here. I think that's fair enough.
05/07/2007 04:02:47 PM · #112
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I'm confused... You don't agree with the opinions proffered but yet you have gathered all the information you needed...How did you manage to do that?

Ray

like what chimericvisions said, I do not agree with some stuff, but I have accepted it and gotten allthe opinions i need and am satisfied.
 05/07/2007 04:03:12 PM · #113
Originally posted by obisgrl:
Someone else said it at the beginning of these posts, and I completely agree -- If you don't like someones photo, don't vote on it. It all goes back to that old familiar saying - "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." And remember, what goes around, comes around.


There have been about a bazillion and one threads about the same thing, so, to beat the same dead horse once again: If that's how you want to vote, then you go right ahead and vote that way. I reserve the right to vote however I want and no one has the right to tell me how I should vote, certainly not you.

05/07/2007 04:03:57 PM · #114
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by digitalknight:
Dude - you waste so much energy on such trivia

Spend your energy finding an audience that appreciates your work, or take some more photos, or build a web site,

You talk about the pressures of youth, but look at the negative energy you've brought raining down on yourself. What's the point?

good point, again your always right! I just went from one end of the spectrum to the other end. Thanks for showing me that
and i do have another site i participate in and every single person there liked it alot.
and I'm doing a live concert wednesday night :) so im pretty stoked on that

Based on this I agree with Digitalknight. You've found an audience that likes the image and if that is what you want then go with it.

DPC is a general audience with folks of a wide variety of likes and dislikes that will never give an image like the one you submitted the carte blanc approval you seek.

Go with that... just submit generalized images to DPC if all you want are higher scores at DPC and go with the other group for controversial images. You will have the best of both worlds.
 05/07/2007 04:04:04 PM · #115
I can request to have it remain unlocked if you guys want to discuss it further. But after this block at school I will not partake in this thread anymore
 05/07/2007 04:05:29 PM · #116
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by digitalknight:
Dude - you waste so much energy on such trivia

Spend your energy finding an audience that appreciates your work, or take some more photos, or build a web site,

You talk about the pressures of youth, but look at the negative energy you've brought raining down on yourself. What's the point?

good point, again your always right! I just went from one end of the spectrum to the other end. Thanks for showing me that
and i do have another site i participate in and every single person there liked it alot.
and I'm doing a live concert wednesday night :) so im pretty stoked on that

Based on this I agree with Digitalknight. You've found an audience that likes the image and if that is what you want then go with it.

DPC is a general audience with folks of a wide variety of likes and dislikes that will never give an image like the one you submitted the carte blanc approval you seek.

Go with that... just submit generalized images to DPC if all you want are higher scores at DPC and go with the other group for controversial images. You will have the best of both worlds.

I think I will continue posting all my stuff here, But just take whats said as a grain of salt, not worry too much about scores and this and that
 05/07/2007 04:06:03 PM · #117
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I'm confused... You don't agree with the opinions proffered but yet you have gathered all the information you needed...How did you manage to do that?


You don't have to agree with something to understand it.


True enough... but one gets the distinct impression that some of the comments were summarily dismissed, in which case the degree of comprehension might suffer somewhat.

Ray
 05/07/2007 04:06:37 PM · #118
Originally posted by obisgrl:
That's not exactly how I meant to come across....What I meant was that photos should be voted on based on their quality of the shot, and how well it fits with the category. I wouldn't give someone a 1 just because I don't like "staged" shots. I just wouldn't vote on it.


That's your choice. Don't condemn others for not making the same choices as you when it comes to voting.
 05/07/2007 04:07:36 PM · #119
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Regardless of the creator, the "gore" type of imagery has never done well on DPC and has not been well received.


While I agree with you that the photog has nothing to do with it, I think there's danger in making sweeping statements.

Joey Lawrence's blue ribbon, for example:

05/07/2007 04:08:49 PM · #120
Originally posted by noisemaker:
I think I will continue posting all my stuff here, But just take whats said as a grain of salt, not worry too much about scores and this and that

That is a maturing outlook. Best wishes to you.
 05/07/2007 04:09:12 PM · #121
Very good public exposure, noisemaker :) Be controversial, whine about scores and comments and how no-one understands you and your work, and yep, you get to be five pages of attention!
 05/07/2007 04:15:45 PM · #122
Originally posted by formerlee:
Very good public exposure, noisemaker :) Be controversial, whine about scores and comments and how no-one understands you and your work, and yep, you get to be five pages of attention!

I'm not sure if that was sarcastic or not :P
 05/07/2007 04:23:53 PM · #123
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by formerlee:
Very good public exposure, noisemaker :) Be controversial, whine about scores and comments and how no-one understands you and your work, and yep, you get to be five pages of attention!

I'm not sure if that was sarcastic or not :P


Nope, not being sarcastic at all. Just an observation on modus operandi.
 05/07/2007 04:51:32 PM · #124
Originally posted by levyj413:
While I agree with you that the photog has nothing to do with it, I think there's danger in making sweeping statements.

Joey Lawrence's blue ribbon, for example:


That has more to do with expectations than anything else. In a "recreate a scene from a movie" challenge, there is some expectation of violence or gore, and it's all in context.
 05/07/2007 05:00:32 PM · #125
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by levyj413:
While I agree with you that the photog has nothing to do with it, I think there's danger in making sweeping statements.

Joey Lawrence's blue ribbon, for example:


That has more to do with expectations than anything else. In a "recreate a scene from a movie" challenge, there is some expectation of violence or gore, and it's all in context.


True but if it was entered in a FS that photo ain't scoring a 5, expectations or not.
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