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05/07/2007 10:38:24 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to participate with the "big boys"? |
Of course not. You buys should just have your own forum. :P
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 10:39:07. |
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05/07/2007 10:39:11 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
yes i know im a whiner and complainer!
I guess my score wasnt thaaat bad (5.7) but what really ticks me off is the 9 1's and 7 3's. I know my image is objective but really if you find an image offensive please don't vote on it just becauseyou dont think its "right"
Here is my image:
I would appreciate comments and suggestions as well!
-Dustin |
Dustin i told you you were a sick bastard! The score however is low and i voted you what i think it was 7? I forgot at first it was hard to even give it a score! |
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05/07/2007 10:44:37 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
the picture has EVERYTHING to do with domestic abuse though, in the world alot do lead to death, its just not all glamoured up so it doesn't hit the media, its a very current issue, thinking it rarely happens is ignorance |
I would absolutely disagree with this. Your photo tells the story of a murder, and the murderer's efforts to conceal it. In my opinion, it has very little to do with domestic abuse, and I think you'll find that "a lot lead to death" is not true. Very few do. Also, I don't understand how the media "glamours up" the issue for mainstream consumption. I don't perceive the media doing anything of the sort. Lastly, I agree with the previously stated opinion that it is actually your photograph that borders on the glorification of murder, because in my view it relies, for example, on our familiarity with horror movies and the devices used in them to stir our revulsion of some taboo act for the sake of entertainment. Reminds me of otisXmike's challenge entry, which I believe also engendered a thread similar to this, in which he also speculated that it wouldn't go over too well, and which also deserved its low score due to its presentation of gore as art. |
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05/07/2007 10:53:17 AM · #79 |
| Got what it deserved. Every photo gets what it deserves. Period. |
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05/07/2007 11:13:20 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
the picture has EVERYTHING to do with domestic abuse though, in the world alot do lead to death, its just not all glamoured up so it doesn't hit the media, its a very current issue, thinking it rarely happens is ignorance |
I would absolutely disagree with this. Your photo tells the story of a murder, and the murderer's efforts to conceal it. In my opinion, it has very little to do with domestic abuse, and I think you'll find that "a lot lead to death" is not true. Very few do. Also, I don't understand how the media "glamours up" the issue for mainstream consumption. I don't perceive the media doing anything of the sort. Lastly, I agree with the previously stated opinion that it is actually your photograph that borders on the glorification of murder, because in my view it relies, for example, on our familiarity with horror movies and the devices used in them to stir our revulsion of some taboo act for the sake of entertainment. Reminds me of otisXmike's challenge entry, which I believe also engendered a thread similar to this, in which he also speculated that it wouldn't go over too well, and which also deserved its low score due to its presentation of gore as art. |
Domestic abuse can be murder, just it doesn't always lead to murder. |
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05/07/2007 11:14:07 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Got what it deserved. Every photo gets what it deserves. Period. |
Thanks for pointing out what like 50 other people have.
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 11:14:18. |
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05/07/2007 11:15:47 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to participate with the "big boys"? |
Of course not. You buys should just have your own forum. :P |
I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I hate when ever I make threads someone ALWAYS has to take a crack at my age, why? its just a number |
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05/07/2007 11:21:21 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to participate with the "big boys"? |
Of course not. You buys should just have your own forum. :P |
I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I hate when ever I make threads someone ALWAYS has to take a crack at my age, why? its just a number |
Probably because you generally come off as the stereotypical youthful hothead. You set yourself up for it, honestly. If you were to stop acting like the stereotype you wouldn't get "picked on" for your age anymore.
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 11:21:43.
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05/07/2007 11:26:12 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to participate with the "big boys"? |
Of course not. You buys should just have your own forum. :P |
I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I hate when ever I make threads someone ALWAYS has to take a crack at my age, why? its just a number |
Probably because you generally come off as the stereotypical youthful hothead. You set yourself up for it, honestly. If you were to stop acting like the stereotype you wouldn't get "picked on" for your age anymore. |
I do not see how I act like the sterotypical "hothead", sure i stir up emotion sometime but so does everyone of all ages, ive seen so many threads like this of people you wouldnt expect it from, i remeber seeing one from sherpet, you wouldnt call her a hothead now wouldyou?
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05/07/2007 11:33:33 AM · #85 |
Why is it that some people will go on and on and on about how their 1-3s are undeserved and people don't appreciate their art and therefore they are a bunch of biased idiots... etc, etc, etc. ... yet never once question their equally undeserved 8-10s?
Why is that?
Why do they continue to do that even when they have more 8-10s than they do 1-3s?
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05/07/2007 11:35:39 AM · #86 |
I scored it a 7 because it was creative, told a story, and each panel photograph was good. I do have to admit my first thought was to give it a lower score do to the content but who am I to censor art. So I took a good look at it and seen how the photograph could in some way be beneficial. Maybe it could be a good wake up photo for any woman in an abusive relationship to get out before something like this happened.
While looking at your photograph from a different prospective I felt it had value and deserved a good score.
As I stated in my comment I would of liked to seen more rugged separation between the photographs to go along with the theme.
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05/07/2007 12:51:53 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
I do not see how I act like the sterotypical "hothead", sure i stir up emotion sometime but so does everyone of all ages, ive seen so many threads like this of people you wouldnt expect it from, i remeber seeing one from sherpet, you wouldnt call her a hothead now wouldyou? |
Sherpet has a well-established reputation of being kind and supportive. You do not. One instance in her case is easily dismissed. When you blow up, it's just another instance of noisemaker living up to his name and we roll our eyes.
Everything you say is extremely reactionary, as if you know better than the grown ups. You constantly point out your age as if you're being discriminated against for it, even when age has nothing to do with it. The thread about photographing the homeless, for instance. It's hard to take you seriously when you're the one constantly bringing it up.
And then you do things like calling a certain person's ban stupid, which is disrespectful to SC and puts a bad taste in the mouths of everyone who watched that go down. And you start threads to rail against the scoring of a distasteful photo and respond like a hothead to everyone who gives you a reasonable explanation for it. Because us grown ups can't possibly know better than you, right?
Down with the man, eh? Maybe this isn't the site for you.
Compare your behavior to that of Joey Lawrence, and you tell me what the difference is between being respected and being dismissed at age 17. Hell, look at young Kita and take notes.
Act like an adult and we'll treat you like one. Amazing how that works.
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05/07/2007 12:56:54 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by infatuated:
Of course the thread seems whiny to you, but of course all of you whiners that voted down, are going to rub off on him. |
...so essentially what you are saying here is that anyone who voted this image down is to be considered a "Whiner". Please do tell just how it is you arrived at that conclusion.
Originally posted by infatuated:
This situation reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. "Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it."
All you babies who can't put up with a little bit of gore, are saying that a man (or woman!) shouldn't have his steak!. |
Your example in this instance is somewhat off topic. At issue is not so much the "gore" factor of the image, but rather the quality of the presentation.
If indeed we are to ponder on the musings of Mark Twain, consideration might be given to one of his other gems... "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
Originally posted by infatuated:
Next time when you are voting on a photograph that has a more controversial subject, try to look past that. If you can't look past the subject and try to see the technical brilliance of it, you shouldn't be given the privilege to vote. |
Of the comments made, this I found particularly troubling. In essence what you are advocating here is that anyone who doesn't share your perception of what constitutes "Technical brillance" should be banned from voting. Just who would decide the level of competency required, would some people be able to vote on some topics but not others, could one take courses or remedial sessions to up-grade their ability to recognize "Technical brillance"... the mind boggles.
No offense, but the image fared rather well, and all factors considered garnered much more high marks than that found at the lower echelon. I personally did not find this image troubling in the least, nor did I find it particularly insightful, powerful or awe inspiring, hence my score of 5.
Ray |
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05/07/2007 01:17:05 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Got what it deserved. Every photo gets what it deserves. Period. |
Thanks for pointing out what like 50 other people have. |
Then why would you start a thread whining about it? |
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05/07/2007 01:24:28 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
I do not see how I act like the sterotypical "hothead", sure i stir up emotion sometime but so does everyone of all ages, ive seen so many threads like this of people you wouldnt expect it from, i remeber seeing one from sherpet, you wouldnt call her a hothead now wouldyou? |
Sherpet has a well-established reputation of being kind and supportive. You do not. One instance in her case is easily dismissed. When you blow up, it's just another instance of noisemaker living up to his name and we roll our eyes.
Everything you say is extremely reactionary, as if you know better than the grown ups. You constantly point out your age as if you're being discriminated against for it, even when age has nothing to do with it. The thread about photographing the homeless, for instance. It's hard to take you seriously when you're the one constantly bringing it up.
And then you do things like calling a certain person's ban stupid, which is disrespectful to SC and puts a bad taste in the mouths of everyone who watched that go down. And you start threads to rail against the scoring of a distasteful photo and respond like a hothead to everyone who gives you a reasonable explanation for it. Because us grown ups can't possibly know better than you, right?
Down with the man, eh? Maybe this isn't the site for you.
Compare your behavior to that of Joey Lawrence, and you tell me what the difference is between being respected and being dismissed at age 17. Hell, look at young Kita and take notes.
Act like an adult and we'll treat you like one. Amazing how that works. |
I'm not trying to be like Joey Lawrence, good for him he has a better attitude than me.
Sure I can call someone's ban stupid, I personally don't agree with it, its my opinion(assuming your talking about Amy's ban)
Thanks for pointing out again that i have a short temper.
your right, im wrong. thats how its suppossed to work right?
I have gotten some decent comments in this thread and on the photo page, i thank you all for that, but for the most part im giong to react when someone puts the photo down so bluntly without constructive criticism with it.. I'm only human
for the most part i try and be as mature as i can, but We all have our ups and downs.Like I said im only Human. I don't want to be precieved as some "teenage hothead". Even though if you have ever met me in real life I am not at all, it's kind of hard to precieve me when you've only ever seen me post on forums. In real life im very mature(except for the odd time, but who isn't) I don't hang out with kids my age, hell I don't even hang out with anyone really. But the majority of people I talk to our adults, In my camera store i work at i have tons of adults come and talk to me, and yeah we have nice intelligent coversations about photography and alike. So I'm not just your average "teenage hothead"
-Dustin
(sorry for the long post) |
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05/07/2007 01:34:08 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
So I'm not just your average "teenage hothead" |
It's unfair to expect anyone here not to react to you based on how you are here. How you are in "real life" is wholly irrelevant when you're online. You don't know how any of these people are in real life until you meet them, and yet you react to them based on their online presence. Why shouldn't we do the same?
If you're not the stereotype that you appear to be, then act like it and you'll get a different reaction from the masses. That's about all I can say. If you won't take that message to heart and do something about it, then there's nothing more to be said.
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05/07/2007 01:48:29 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
So I'm not just your average "teenage hothead" |
It's unfair to expect anyone here not to react to you based on how you are here. How you are in "real life" is wholly irrelevant when you're online. You don't know how any of these people are in real life until you meet them, and yet you react to them based on their online presence. Why shouldn't we do the same?
If you're not the stereotype that you appear to be, then act like it and you'll get a different reaction from the masses. That's about all I can say. If you won't take that message to heart and do something about it, then there's nothing more to be said. |
yeah i agree, I've been trying, I have gotten better control of myself since I first came here, I'm always improving. It's just hard for me at times, maybe you do know or dont know but there is alot of pressure on todays youth, Our BC(british columbia) schooling is getting alot tougher, i work too much, and try to cram too much stuff into my life right now, So i snap at times. Sorry |
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05/07/2007 01:56:30 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
I don't want to be precieved as some "teenage hothead". Even though if you have ever met me in real life I am not at all, it's kind of hard to precieve me when you've only ever seen me post on forums. |
Then don't act like one on here. I've never seen others your age treated like "teenage hotheads" when they haven't acted as such.
As for what you're like in real life, it's mostly irrelevant here. |
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05/07/2007 01:57:20 PM · #94 |
No problem. I do know what it's like. And lord knows I've had my moments here, too. It's taken me awhile to settle into this kinder gentler less-pissed-off-about-the-scores persona. This is such a small part of life, you know? It's not worth getting worked up about. ;-)
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05/07/2007 02:01:17 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
No problem. I do know what it's like. And lord knows I've had my moments here, too. It's taken me awhile to settle into this kinder gentler less-pissed-off-about-the-scores persona. This is such a small part of life, you know? It's not worth getting worked up about. ;-) |
Yeah, and with this image i realised who gives a shit about the score(pardon my language). I think the mixed reviews and 55 comments on the photo mean alot more now that i actually look at it. I guess I just always want to have the best score, the most favourites. But that's all just numbers, the comments and everything mean so much more. Which i've realised now.
So thank you all for putting in your time giving input in this thread or on my photo, wether it be you "hating"on me or praising me, I'm glad you took the time to give me input.
-Dustin |
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05/07/2007 02:28:48 PM · #96 |
| for me the result of this photo has been a great surprise. I was sure that a top 20 was well deserved. perhaps the subject developed is too annoying for the voters. I have the surprise for the nine votes with 1(but even for the 2 and the 3). these votes are for dnmc (and the photograph wasn't dnmc) and for very bad photograph (and this isn't a very bad photograph). good luck in next contest and perhaps the next photograph with an heaven environment will be better :) |
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05/07/2007 02:39:27 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
It's just hard for me at times, maybe you do know or dont know but there is alot of pressure on todays youth ... |
We understand. This pretty much goes away later in life. :-)
PS: That wasn't a personal jibe at you, young man. Just a joke about the difficulty of life in general. Peace out, |
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05/07/2007 02:55:21 PM · #98 |
I like the shot and it does not offend me. It is about a 5.5 to 6 IMO.
It is a set-up photo that you dreamed up....I don't understand what all the outcry is about.
IMO if this same set-up had been done by Joey Lawerence, it would have been met with RAVE reviews !
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05/07/2007 02:58:32 PM · #99 |
Dude - you waste so much energy on such trivia
Spend your energy finding an audience that appreciates your work, or take some more photos, or build a web site,
You talk about the pressures of youth, but look at the negative energy you've brought raining down on yourself. What's the point? |
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05/07/2007 03:08:03 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
looking back i see i didnt miss anything. all the unchecked ones just say "great" or disturbing" or "i dont like it" |
with the exception of "err" and "great". I would say comments like "That is so disgusting", "creepy", "wow a bit disturbing!" "don't like this one" are the telling comments that really explain the low votes and why they didn't like it. but thats just my opinion. |
Have to agree here.you can see in my portfolio that I like gore and have submited it before. every time people say "gross" tells me that they are voting on that. do i agree, no, but it is thier right. I decided that when I post gore I expect no higher than a 5.2 and I don't look at the breakdown. |
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