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05/02/2007 02:50:28 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'd be careful giving credit to someone because of where they are or how much they make or whatever. There are millions of mediocrities floating around, making the front pages.
Trump, Paris Hilton, President Bush, David Hasselhoff, Jennifer Lopez... |
I think calling Paris Hilton mediocre is awfully generous of you ;-) |
An apology is in order...
You're absolutely right. Calling her a Mediocrity is an insult to all mediocrities across the world. I am very, very sorry.
I think that t-shirt was created with her in mind...
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 14:55:36. |
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05/02/2007 02:51:22 PM · #27 |
I've got to disagree with those claiming Liebovitz is over-rated ... she is one of the best of her generation at getting past the technical aspects of portraiture and capturing images which really get at the underlying being of her subjects.
I recently saw her retrospective at the Brooklyn Museum of Art, now touring the US. Worth seeing if you get a chance. |
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05/02/2007 03:08:46 PM · #28 |
I'm not sure how her choices here did any justice to this scene.
Breaking the rules can be very cool in fact, it's my mission but I'm not sure anyone can explain that image.
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 15:15:30. |
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05/02/2007 03:12:27 PM · #29 |
| I heard she adheres to minimal editing rules. :P |
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05/02/2007 03:16:32 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'm not sure how her choices here did any justice to this scene.
Breaking the rules can be very cool in fact, it's my mission but I'm not sure anyone can explain that image. |
Pawdrix, good call, if she posted that on a landscape challenge here she would get crucified.
poor exposure, blurry poor use of B&W, croped the top of the nearest mountain.. 2
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 15:17:06. |
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05/02/2007 03:17:41 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'd be careful giving credit to someone because of where they are or how much they make or whatever. There are millions of mediocrities floating around, making the front pages.
Trump, Paris Hilton, President Bush, David Hasselhoff, Jennifer Lopez... |
I respect all of them and what they have accomplished. They are all extremely wealthy and popular. Wouldn't it be more difficult to become rich and famous with a mediocre acting,singing, or business career? They capitalized on their mediocre talents. Thats incredible and inspiring to me! |
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05/02/2007 03:25:14 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'm not sure how her choices here did any justice to this scene.
Breaking the rules can be very cool in fact, it's my mission but I'm not sure anyone can explain that image. |
Pawdrix, good call, if she posted that on a landscape challenge here she would get crucified.
poor exposure, blurry poor use of B&W, croped the top of the nearest mountain.. 2 |
As I recall from the exhibition, those were shot from a helicopter on an assignment from conde nast, and there were many problems on the shoot regarding timing and equipment. even she said they were not that good, but included them in the retrospective because she was trying to put together an exhibition of a photographer's life, rather than a show of her greatest hits. You've got to respect her honesty for including those images in the exhibition, but they are hardly reflective of her talent (or lack thereof).
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05/02/2007 03:28:24 PM · #33 |
Imitation is the highest form of flattery...
And I see a lot of imitators. The fact that you can pick out her style attests for something. |
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05/02/2007 03:34:26 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'm not sure how her choices here did any justice to this scene.
Breaking the rules can be very cool in fact, it's my mission but I'm not sure anyone can explain that image. |
Not sure what point is trying to be made here. I can probably go through a lot of people's work and point out some pretty bad photographs. Doesn't make them any more or less a photographer than they were before they were pointed out.
As EstimatedEyes posted, it shows quite a lot of confidence and humility to include images you aren't happy with in an expose of your life's work.
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 15:35:01. |
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05/02/2007 03:38:54 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by superdave:
Wouldn't it be more difficult to become rich and famous with a mediocre acting,singing, or business career? They capitalized on their mediocre talents. Thats incredible and inspiring to me! |
I think it sucks and is anything but inspiring. Downright depressing, in fact. It shows how stupid society is on the whole.
The list of total crap that sells is never ending...
Baywatch
Britney Spears
Arnold Schwartzenegger (as an actor)
Ricky Martin
Jackass (the TV show)
The Real World
ANYTHING on MTV
Porky's
The New York Post
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
P Diddy
Jennifer Lopez (can't dance either)
George Bush
The Iraq War
Politicians (can't think of a single good one...off hand)
It's pretty easy to be mediocre and successful...actually, it seems to be a requirement. I'm not impressed. |
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05/02/2007 03:41:09 PM · #36 |
Queen : "please don't focus on my rinkly face"
Annie : "ok I'll shoot from 100 feet away"
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Whose the portraitist who passed away a couple of years ago. I think he was canadian ... Yuseef (sp?) or something? I remember him having great portraits.
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05/02/2007 03:41:55 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
As EstimatedEyes posted, it shows quite a lot of confidence and humility to include images you aren't happy with in an expose of your life's work. |
I think a lot...most of my work is junk, fwiw.
I didn't know she wasn't happy with those images...my bad. I applaude that kind of honesty.
I do like a lot/some of her work as I stated in my first post. I also think that much of it is overated. No more, no less.
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 15:46:57. |
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05/02/2007 03:42:48 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by superdave:
Wouldn't it be more difficult to become rich and famous with a mediocre acting,singing, or business career? They capitalized on their mediocre talents. Thats incredible and inspiring to me! |
Politicians (can't think of a single good one...off hand)
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John F. Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 15:44:05.
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05/02/2007 03:43:26 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Artyste:
As EstimatedEyes posted, it shows quite a lot of confidence and humility to include images you aren't happy with in an expose of your life's work. |
I think a lot...most of my work is junk, fwiw. |
Just wait til you're dead, Steve. :) |
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05/02/2007 03:44:47 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Artyste:
As EstimatedEyes posted, it shows quite a lot of confidence and humility to include images you aren't happy with in an expose of your life's work. |
I think a lot...most of my work is junk, fwiw. |
Yet it sells, and yet you bitch about mediocrity being successful ;)
I still don't understand the original point you were trying to make, which is why a bad photo from a photographer has any relativity to the discussion at hand. |
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05/02/2007 03:48:08 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Artyste:
As EstimatedEyes posted, it shows quite a lot of confidence and humility to include images you aren't happy with in an expose of your life's work. |
I think a lot...most of my work is junk, fwiw. |
Yet it sells, and yet you bitch about mediocrity being successful ;) |
Yeah...ain't that a bitch. Go figure. |
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05/02/2007 03:52:36 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by superdave:
Wouldn't it be more difficult to become rich and famous with a mediocre acting,singing, or business career? They capitalized on their mediocre talents. Thats incredible and inspiring to me! |
I think it sucks and is anything but inspiring. Downright depressing, in fact. It shows how stupid society is on the whole.
The list of total crap that sells is never ending...
Baywatch
Britney Spears
Arnold Schwartzenegger (as an actor)
Ricky Martin
Jackass (the TV show)
The Real World
ANYTHING on MTV
Porky's
The New York Post
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
P Diddy
Jennifer Lopez (can't dance either)
George Bush
The Iraq War
Politicians (can't think of a single good one...off hand)
It's pretty easy to be mediocre and successful...actually, it seems to be a requirement. I'm not impressed. |
Mediocre seems to be the wrong word. All of them do have talents and skills many of which makes them far above average or medicore but that's beside the point. They are rich and famous because they do things that many/most people won't or refuse to do. Some of it may involve not having a moral compass but it also involves having the will and desire to go out and do something that you want to achieve. You may not like their choices or even respect them but you have to admit that they were succesful in doing what they set out to do and that's not always easy accomplish.
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 15:54:18.
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05/02/2007 03:53:06 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by superdave:
Wouldn't it be more difficult to become rich and famous with a mediocre acting,singing, or business career? They capitalized on their mediocre talents. Thats incredible and inspiring to me! |
Politicians (can't think of a single good one...off hand)
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John F. Kennedy
Robert Kennedy |
Carol Moseley Braun.
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05/02/2007 04:00:55 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by superdave:
Wouldn't it be more difficult to become rich and famous with a mediocre acting,singing, or business career? They capitalized on their mediocre talents. Thats incredible and inspiring to me! |
Politicians (can't think of a single good one...off hand)
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John F. Kennedy
Robert Kennedy |
Carol Moseley Braun. |
Abe Lincoln....? Keep'em coming LOLOL
I concede all battles. I lay down my tongue and sword...
A semantic discussion isn't where I was going. My list was of things the I feel are sub par...not great....junky, that still sell by the truck load and really bum me out.
The Onion had a funny article a while back about how Hollywood researched how low they could stoop, sink...or how much they could underestimate the American public and discovered that it was pretty much, bottomless. There was no end to how low they could go. I thought it was funny...sad and beyond true.
However that ties into this thread...I don't know. That's all I was thinking.
Did I mention somewhere, that I like the Queen shot...?
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 16:17:24. |
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05/02/2007 04:12:45 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'm not sure how her choices here did any justice to this scene.
Breaking the rules can be very cool in fact, it's my mission but I'm not sure anyone can explain that image. |
when a photo has a NAME attached to a photo, how worse it even is, the photo is "brilliant". Not exactly my thing, but it is the way it goes.
About the portrait of the queen: I think it's beautiful. Would love to see it a bit bigger to check the details. |
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05/02/2007 04:19:46 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Carol Moseley Braun. |
Abe Lincoln....? Keep'em coming LOLOL |
Actually, she's rather terrible. :-)
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05/02/2007 04:24:10 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Like anyone, Liebowitz has great work, good work, not so good work, and horrible work.
Like everything, these will be determined differently by the individual that views them.
Like anyone, she probably made her mark through a combination of hard work, luck, and talent.
Like everything, people will enjoy it for what it is, not enjoy it for what it isn't, love it out of worship/popularity/etc, or hate it out of spite/jealousy/etc.
Liebowitz is just a woman doing what she loves to do, and happened to get famous for doing so. Whether or not she's underrated, overrated, talented, not talented, has connections, works her ass off, or whatever other kind of label we'd want to throw at her, she's a photographer making a living doing the thing she enjoys the most. For that, I applaud her, and anyone else that can bridge the gap. |
Yeah, what he said. :)
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05/02/2007 04:27:47 PM · #48 |
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05/02/2007 04:32:39 PM · #49 |
| Don't care who photog was, I think it is a good portrait of our ruling monarch, and I am glad it wasn't the usual portrait as Techo showed in previous thread. I think it displays an off centre study that works well. |
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05/02/2007 04:36:35 PM · #50 |
| All these little leaguers - calling the hall-of-famer a chump. |
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