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04/30/2007 02:48:16 PM · #1 |
I know these threads are done to death and no voting scheme is better than another, but I thought I'd share a little epiphany on voting I had.
I vote on a curve. The bulk of my voting is between 4-6 with actually very few 1-3s. I tend to have only 1-3 pictures that score 9 or 10.
When voting I tend to think to myself "this shot is a 5.x" and would score that a 5. I'd do the same for 6.x and so on giving bonus points for good shots (since not very many shots score a 7.x or 8.x and none score 9.x or 10). The problem I realized is that this thinking will always harm and never help a shot.
Think of it this way. Our scores all live between the integers. If you have a 5.5 and I give you a 5, I pull your score down. It doesn't matter what the "x" is in the "5.x", your score will always drop when I give you the 5.
With that in mind, I've tried to bump my voting by a full point. If I say, "this picture is a 5.x" I give it a 6. That will always pull it up, but will never put it over where I think it should be. So the picture remains a 5.x, but at least they got some bump from me instead of being pulled down.
Just some rambling...
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04/30/2007 02:56:56 PM · #2 |
I kind of know what you mean about the 5/6 thing. Do i give an average photograph a 5 or 6. No matter what I do I'm going to under or over score the photograph vs. my view of it. Kind of makes me wish they would add 5.5 between 5 and 6 or better yet have a slider bar that starts and 1 and ends at 10. You put your mouse on it and slide it to where you think the photo should score. It would show the score as you slide the slider in increments of X.XXXX. So if I felt a photograph was a bit better than average I could slide the bar to 5.7500. It will never happen. :)
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04/30/2007 03:10:06 PM · #3 |
| I vote like this, First i veiw all the photo's quickly, Then i give the best one 10 and the worst 3 and then i fill in between with other photos scale to 10's photo and 3's photo |
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04/30/2007 04:02:47 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Kliopatra:
I vote like this, First i veiw all the photo's quickly, Then i give the best one 10 and the worst 3 and then i fill in between with other photos scale to 10's photo and 3's photo |
Why not make the worst a 1? Wouldn't that make more sense? |
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04/30/2007 04:04:40 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by bfox2:
Originally posted by Kliopatra:
I vote like this, First i veiw all the photo's quickly, Then i give the best one 10 and the worst 3 and then i fill in between with other photos scale to 10's photo and 3's photo |
Why not make the worst a 1? Wouldn't that make more sense? |
That depends on how the scale is being used. If it is being used to rate the quality of the image then 1 may not be appropriate. If the scale is being used to place images in the competition then yes, 1 could be used for the worst. A lot of people use the former rather than the latter. |
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04/30/2007 04:08:00 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by bfox2:
Why not make the worst a 1? Wouldn't that make more sense? |
getting a bunch of 1's sucks. I think a 3 with a specific and helpful comment is much more beneficial to the photog. |
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04/30/2007 05:05:43 PM · #7 |
FWIW, I vote in a first pass that ranks images either 4,5, or 6 generally. Sometimes, but not often, images will get 7, 8, or 3 right off.
Then I review my 6+'s such that the "best of the best" get bumped up to 10's and I fill in the interim scores so that I have scores from 4 (sometimes 3) right through to 10's. The way I see it, the 10 is relative to the challenge, not to other 10's on the site.
Message edited by author 2007-04-30 17:06:39.
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04/30/2007 05:20:07 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
FWIW, I vote in a first pass that ranks images either 4,5, or 6 generally. Sometimes, but not often, images will get 7, 8, or 3 right off.
Then I review my 6+'s such that the "best of the best" get bumped up to 10's and I fill in the interim scores so that I have scores from 4 (sometimes 3) right through to 10's. The way I see it, the 10 is relative to the challenge, not to other 10's on the site. |
This is exactly what I do. |
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04/30/2007 05:51:42 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
FWIW, I vote in a first pass that ranks images either 4,5, or 6 generally. Sometimes, but not often, images will get 7, 8, or 3 right off.
Then I review my 6+'s such that the "best of the best" get bumped up to 10's and I fill in the interim scores so that I have scores from 4 (sometimes 3) right through to 10's. The way I see it, the 10 is relative to the challenge, not to other 10's on the site. |
Normally, I'll give several 8s,9s & 10s when voting in a challenge, but sometimes I don't think there is a 10 in a particular challenge. An example of this is the Kitchenware challene that just ended. There were some good photos, but I didn't see any 10s. If we vote every challenge on the "curve", then the when browsing the highest rated photos gallery, the scores become pretty meaningless.
Tom |
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04/30/2007 06:42:24 PM · #10 |
For me it works best to vote on all of the photos, I use 1 to 10, but 10's have to be perfect, I give em, but there have been few.
After I go finish voting I browse thru the thumbs, 10's all the way down to 1's and review how they appear and make minor adjustments but it usually seems very accurate.
I find most of my votes are between 3 and 8..........
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04/30/2007 07:01:13 PM · #11 |
Yet none of you are voting mine nearly high enough.
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04/30/2007 07:21:44 PM · #12 |
I kinda vote the same way Jason outlined although I'm more stingy with the 9s and 10s and 1s and 2s. In fact I can't remember the last 1 or 2 I handed out.
Typically a 3 is the lowest I go with most of my votes falling in the 4-7 range. The 9s and 10s are usually reserved for when I also fav a photo. 8s are typically 9s or 10s that I personally don't care much for but can appreciate.
Message edited by author 2007-04-30 19:23:16.
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05/01/2007 04:18:32 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by bfox2:
Originally posted by Kliopatra:
I vote like this, First i veiw all the photo's quickly, Then i give the best one 10 and the worst 3 and then i fill in between with other photos scale to 10's photo and 3's photo |
Why not make the worst a 1? Wouldn't that make more sense? |
will i don't give 1 or 2 cause i think if someone enter a challenge with a photo that's an effort that would equal 1 point & the photo it self the worst one i mean get another point or two so i start with 3, i don't really think that they are in general that bad to get 1 or 2 |
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05/01/2007 04:43:50 PM · #14 |
I don't understand why people feel they have to vote most of the images between 4 and 6, with few lower and higher. I will have to agree that a high percentage of my votes are 5 and 6, but there is not a reserved one or two shots per challenge that I feel deserve an 8 or above. I typically have several that I vote in the high range. I can appreciate good photography, and the work that has to go in to it. If the shot is technically well done and thought out, it is almost always going to get a 7 or above from me. Most of my 5's are not reserved for "average" shots, those get at least a 6. My 5's are reserved for snapshots that appear to have had no thought given before the picture was taken, or after during processing.
Message edited by author 2007-05-01 16:44:36.
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05/01/2007 04:59:15 PM · #15 |
I vote on a scale that roughly equates to this:
10 Γ’ outstanding
9 - near outstanding
8 Γ’ technically and compositionally very good (or has strong narrative),but misses that Γ’sparkΓ’
7
6 - Up to standard, with some minor caveats
5 Γ’ Up to standard, with several caveats
4 Γ’
3 - technically and compositionally weak photograph; no clear intent
2 -
1 Γ’ below standard in all respects; no saving graces
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05/01/2007 05:01:15 PM · #16 |
maybe i need to change how I vote. I first break up like images. I vote them against each other. Then I vote from the ones I voted highest on down and adjust their photos from there. If the image hits all of my criteria then I give it a ten. My criteria is; it has to strike emotion, be one that I see someone buying for their home or office, or use in an advertisement, and last it has to be the best of the series of images are like each other (meaning, if there are eight photos of bears then the score of ten goes to the best one.) I however, end up with more than 1 or 2 ten scores. I just can't vote one style against one that is completely opposite and not give a score that I feel it's worth simply because I've already given a ten out.
Message edited by author 2007-05-01 17:02:48. |
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05/01/2007 05:11:17 PM · #17 |
Hmmm...confirmed as the "Anti-Troll," I will not re-think my voting habits, but I am starting to rethink my commenting habits. I think the comment is a good opportunity to learn by attempting to write something about another person's photo. Another photographer recently encouraged me to do this, but of course, I never know how my interpretation may be inadvertently "misinterpreted" by the artist of the photo. YIKES!
To comment or not to comment...that is the question!
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05/01/2007 05:51:52 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I know these threads are done to death and no voting scheme is better than another, but I thought I'd share a little epiphany on voting I had.
I vote on a curve. The bulk of my voting is between 4-6 with actually very few 1-3s. I tend to have only 1-3 pictures that score 9 or 10.
When voting I tend to think to myself "this shot is a 5.x" and would score that a 5. I'd do the same for 6.x and so on giving bonus points for good shots (since not very many shots score a 7.x or 8.x and none score 9.x or 10). The problem I realized is that this thinking will always harm and never help a shot.
Think of it this way. Our scores all live between the integers. If you have a 5.5 and I give you a 5, I pull your score down. It doesn't matter what the "x" is in the "5.x", your score will always drop when I give you the 5.
With that in mind, I've tried to bump my voting by a full point. If I say, "this picture is a 5.x" I give it a 6. That will always pull it up, but will never put it over where I think it should be. So the picture remains a 5.x, but at least they got some bump from me instead of being pulled down.
Just some rambling... |
You know what Jason, that's pretty much what I do...I do however give 1. 2 and 3 where there is nothing to save the photograph...I try to leave a comment when I do, but sometimes don't. Doesn't happen often, but there are more and more images these days that look like they were taken with a cell phone and they have no redeeming qualities.
On the whole, I generally err on the side of voting to the next integer.
Message edited by author 2007-05-01 17:52:14. |
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05/01/2007 05:56:05 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
To comment or not to comment...that is the question! |
I try to comment on all those that I vote 7 - 1. I also try not to leave a nice job type of comment. I try to let them know why it's not an 8 or higher so they can hopefullly use that information. |
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05/01/2007 06:19:53 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
... I thought I'd share a little epiphany on voting I had.
I vote on a curve. The bulk of my voting is between 4-6 with actually very few 1-3s. I tend to have only 1-3 pictures that score 9 or 10.
When voting I tend to think to myself "this shot is a 5.x" and would score that a 5. I'd do the same for 6.x and so on giving bonus points for good shots (since not very many shots score a 7.x or 8.x and none score 9.x or 10). The problem I realized is that this thinking will always harm and never help a shot.
Think of it this way. Our scores all live between the integers. If you have a 5.5 and I give you a 5, I pull your score down. ... |
Interestingly, when I used to vote like the group one of the first things I thought about was the "between" factor. If I thought the group might vote an image 5.51 overall then I felt I should score that image a 6 but if I thought the group would give it a 5.49 then I felt I should give it a 5.
I used to pick a top three by isolating them with scores of 8s, 9s or 10s where no one else got that score. I used to vote like that all the time. That allowed me to save the higher scores(either 8 , 9 or 10) for my personal top three picks. Doing that allowed me to compare my judgments accurately to the group's over time and I would never forget and think later that I actually picked the top three better than I did.
Now I vote the whole scale from 1 to 10, generally on a curve, though I rarely give 1s. I do generally give about 10% or so 10s. I think I am a discerning and tough voter but vote more in keeping with what I read other people say about the quality of images at DPC moreso than how they actually vote.
My ultimate guide is that 10 means "good". If I cannot come up with major flaws then an image deserves a 10 and gets one from me.
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05/01/2007 06:22:02 PM · #21 |
I just don't have time to go back through very often. I used to have my curser on 5 than move up or down. A while ago I moved my curser to 6, than move up or down. So my 5's are mostly 6's, can't remember last time I gave a 3. But the 8, 9 & 10's are for the top images. When I vote I vote on all images. I always like going back after the challenge and see how I scored to the ranking results. Most all the time the ribbon's are on the first page, maybe one on the second page. I'm good at picking the winners, yet I don't seem to learn to improve myself to get there.....Lol
edit; I don't vote trying to pick a winner. I vote each image on it's own merit.
Message edited by author 2007-05-01 18:59:01. |
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05/01/2007 06:22:46 PM · #22 |
In theory, you could give a completely random vote to each image and sit comfortable in the knowledge that you have made no noticeable impact on the results. That kind of puts things into perspective for me (and - I like to think - explains any 1s on my images...).
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05/02/2007 08:45:12 AM · #23 |
I have this idea
each voter have a username as a voter not a photographer, then each voter must give his vote with a comment that explain the vote points but the min. votes for a challenge would be 10% or 15% instead of 20% so it would encourage them to vote, the voting username is diffrent than the photographer username so that no one take revenge for his scores
what do u think about this? |
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05/02/2007 05:19:48 PM · #24 |
99 pct of the votes I give are at least a three.
For a photo to receive a one or two from me, it would
have to fit any of the following conditions:
1. A blatant attempt to totally disregard the theme
of the challenge. Photo of a tree in a portrait challenge
for example.
2. So blurry that one has a hard time figuring out
what it is.
3. Anything obscene or sexually explicit or gross
even if they somehow fit the challenge.
4. Blatant attempt to disregard the editing rules.
A collage or a multiple exposure in a basic editing challenge
is one example of this.
I never ever give a one or two just because
it looks ordinary. Or it looks like a snapshot.
If it doesn't break any of the above rules,
a three vote would suffice. The entrant will understand it's bad.
Giving a three is like scolding a dog for a mistake
in a calm voice. A two is yelling at the dog. A one
is kicking the dog.
Ones and Twos are overkill. Threes say it's bad
without being cruel.
Unless it fits any of the four rules mentioned above
let's be very selective about giving out cruel votes.
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 17:20:34. |
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05/02/2007 05:36:46 PM · #25 |
(this is a cross-post because I think this is just as relevant here as it is in the other thread)
One thing I wish Langdon would do would be to not display one's average vote cast.
I know of a couple of folks (I would imagine that there are probably more) that want to keep that average somewhat on the higher side, so they only vote on photos that are 6 or higher. Anything that would get a lower vote is skipped.
So if your average vote cast is not shown to the world, folks may be a bit more balanced with their voting.
Just my opinion. Your thoughts? Does anyone agree? Disagree?
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