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04/28/2007 02:43:24 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Louis:
Not sure how tongue in cheek this is, but at the very least, I'm sure you recognize how absurd a notion it is. If it's something you're serious about, it's patently offensive and causes little wonder that Americans with such views are reviled the world over. Perhaps you'd like to chair the committee to select the victims. Make sure it's a nice little out of the way spot full of women and children, as Lidice was, for example. |
Why "Americans" would be reviled the world over for someone using their rights to free speech does leave me with a lot to wonder. The world would be FAR better if we all quit exaggerating every single thing. Photodude said what he said to which you can strongly disagree but there's little reason (well I can think of a couple) to point out he's an American. Assuming of course he is. |
I suppose this is something of a fair statement. But as someone previously said, Iraq is America's mess, America is the preferred target of international Islamic extremist terrorism, and photodude is most assuredly American. The reason for pointing out his nationality is to underscore the previously stated points.
And it is a most unfortunate fact that America as a nation is reviled to one degree or another throughout the globe. This doesn't indicate a personal opinion on my part, nor does it show any basis for such a prejudice; it's merely a fact. Just as most people might think that Canadians are beer-swilling, back-bacon scarfing knuckleheads who can't go ten minutes without a doughnut and a coffee and whose government is half-way to communism, it's so socialist. Neither fair nor true, but there you have it. |
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04/28/2007 04:06:16 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
First, Osama does not speak for all Muslims. Indeed, his narrow view of Islam condemns many Muslims as well. Just like photodud certainly doesn't speak for all non-Muslims.
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I guess I just don't understand how there is no difference in ignorance when the fact is that one of the men in question is actually responsible for the murders of thousands of innocents.
By this way of thinking, when a member of a hate group kills an innocent African American man there is no difference in ignorance to a guy who used the "n" word last week. I'll bet if the dead guy could talk he'd tell you that he believes that there is a huge difference in the ignorance between the two. |
You asked about the ignorance in two people's statements, nothing to do with their actions.
Both statements come from the same level of ignorance, xenophobia, bias and hatred.
Unless photodud has actually committed the kind of atrocities his words endorse, his actions and Osama's actions are not equivalent.
Message edited by author 2007-04-28 16:07:00. |
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04/28/2007 04:33:49 PM · #53 |
My proposed solution to Islamic terrorism has been proven effective.
Many innocent people were killed in Dresden and Hiroshima. The end results speak for themselves. The German and Japanese people had a choice - change their behavior or perish.
They chose to change their behavior. |
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04/28/2007 04:47:34 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by photodude:
My proposed solution to Islamic terrorism has been proven effective.
Many innocent people were killed in Dresden and Hiroshima. The end results speak for themselves. The German and Japanese people had a choice - change their behavior or perish.
They chose to change their behavior. |
The same solution was also implemented by the Nazis against the Jews and by the Hutus against the Tsutis. |
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04/28/2007 05:01:26 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by photodude:
My proposed solution to Islamic terrorism has been proven effective.
Many innocent people were killed in Dresden and Hiroshima. The end results speak for themselves. The German and Japanese people had a choice - change their behavior or perish.
They chose to change their behavior. |
The same solution was also implemented by the Nazis against the Jews and by the Hutus against the Tsutis. |
The Jews did not wage war on the Germans - they were victims of agressors.
Again, my solution would be very simple for the Islamics - Don't screw with us and you live. Not sure why they would have a problem with that. |
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04/28/2007 05:53:02 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by photodude:
My proposed solution to Islamic terrorism has been proven effective.
Many innocent people were killed in Dresden and Hiroshima. The end results speak for themselves. The German and Japanese people had a choice - change their behavior or perish.
They chose to change their behavior. |
The same solution was also implemented by the Nazis against the Jews and by the Hutus against the Tsutis. |
The Jews did not wage war on the Germans - they were victims of agressors.
Again, my solution would be very simple for the Islamics - Don't screw with us and you live. Not sure why they would have a problem with that. |
Genocide: photodud's solution for the world's problems. If you really believe the crap you're spewing I really feel nothing but pity for you.
Message edited by author 2007-04-28 17:53:42. |
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04/28/2007 05:53:52 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You asked about the ignorance in two people's statements, nothing to do with their actions.
Both statements come from the same level of ignorance, xenophobia, bias and hatred.
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The spin is certainly making me dizzy - I'll give you that.
A person who kills based on their beliefs and a person who doesn't certainly may share the ignorance, xenophobia, bias and hatred but don't think for a second you're going to make me believe that it comes from the same level. C'mon.
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04/28/2007 05:57:06 PM · #58 |
It's photodude, with an "e". That's three times in this thread alone that you've done that. As far as I'm concerned that is no different that me calling you dickheadmo99.
You seem to have a problem debating someone without insulting their intelligence and frankly it's getting a bit old seeing you do this from the sidelines. If you think your arguments don't have enough merit on their own without you resorting to insults then you might just be right. |
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04/28/2007 05:59:10 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You asked about the ignorance in two people's statements, nothing to do with their actions.
Both statements come from the same level of ignorance, xenophobia, bias and hatred.
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The spin is certainly making me dizzy - I'll give you that.
A person who kills based on their beliefs and a person who doesn't certainly may share the ignorance, xenophobia, bias and hatred but don't think for a second you're going to make me believe that it comes from the same level. C'mon. |
You fail to separate the words and the deeds.
If you look strictly at the words, which is what you brought up, then the only difference between photodud and Osama is which side of the conflict their rhetoric expresses hatred for.
The difference in deed is great, unless photodud is planning go berserk in a mosque. |
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04/28/2007 06:01:00 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
It's photodude, with an "e". That's three times in this thread alone that you've done that. As far as I'm concerned that is no different that me calling you dickheadmo99.
You seem to have a problem debating someone without insulting their intelligence and frankly it's getting a bit old seeing you do this from the sidelines. If you think your arguments don't have enough merit on their own without you resorting to insults then you might just be right. |
If you can't follow the simple concept that words and deeds are two different things, perhaps you should just read.
Message edited by author 2007-04-28 18:09:21. |
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04/28/2007 06:06:07 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=dudephil] [quote=Spazmo99]
The difference in deed is great, unless photodud is planning go berserk in a mosque. |
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message.
If they stay away from us, as far as I'm concerned they can live any way they want in their own sandbox. |
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04/28/2007 06:11:16 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=dudephil] [quote=Spazmo99]
The difference in deed is great, unless photodud is planning go berserk in a mosque. |
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message.
If they stay away from us, as far as I'm concerned they can live any way they want in their own sandbox. |
That's disgusting on so many levels. |
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04/28/2007 06:13:46 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=dudephil] [quote=Spazmo99]
The difference in deed is great, unless photodud is planning go berserk in a mosque. |
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message.
If they stay away from us, as far as I'm concerned they can live any way they want in their own sandbox. |
That's disgusting on so many levels. |
So is having to go through metal detectors to get in buildings, not being able to take pictures on bridges, and having the government check out what I do in libraries.
I'm tired of playing defense. |
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04/28/2007 07:03:59 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=dudephil] [quote=Spazmo99]
The difference in deed is great, unless photodud is planning go berserk in a mosque. |
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message.
If they stay away from us, as far as I'm concerned they can live any way they want in their own sandbox. |
That's disgusting on so many levels. |
So is having to go through metal detectors to get in buildings, not being able to take pictures on bridges, and having the government check out what I do in libraries.
I'm tired of playing defense. |
The enemy may worship Allah, but that doesn't make everyone worshiping Allah the enemy. The guy worshiping Allah is just as sick of it as you are, probably more so. |
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04/28/2007 09:49:20 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If you can't follow the simple concept that words and deeds are two different things, perhaps you should just read. |
As I said, you can't seem to debate or discuss a topic without insulting someone's intelligence.
In this instance, I do find this serial killer to be a little bit more ignorant than the words of an everyday photographer Joe. He says that the Qur'an tells him to kill people so he does it. Is he misinformed? If so, then he is unbelievably ignorant isn't he? You are surely not saying that he is in complete understanding the words that he reads for hours a day are you? If not then how do you get more ignorant than that?
You'll be glad to know that I did a little reading after your post. I read that the simple concept of douche and bag are two different things, but sometimes they go together like peanut butter and chocolate. Isn't that right Reese's Cup?
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04/28/2007 10:01:14 PM · #66 |
| Isn't it funny how threads like this always turn into an argument between two people? You're both right, kiss and make up : ) |
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04/28/2007 10:14:53 PM · #67 |
Slow down, I can't keep up with the dudes.....
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04/29/2007 01:15:01 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=dudephil] [quote=Spazmo99]
The difference in deed is great, unless photodud is planning go berserk in a mosque. |
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message.
If they stay away from us, as far as I'm concerned they can live any way they want in their own sandbox. |
Here in Canada, the CBC recently put out a new sitcom called "Little Mosque on the Prairie.", an effort to bring to light how every day muslims go about their days and their lives in mixed society, and are as hard-working and harmless as any other people. At the time, I questioned why we even needed a show like this, as I figured the population at large pretty much understood that the majority of muslims were about as much like extremists as the majority of Icelanders are run-away experts in photography.
Now, I'm sad to say.. I have been brought into complete understanding as to why we need this kind of thing.
I'm appalled at your gross generalizations, hatred, and willingness to sound like a terrorist, in some misguided attempt at relaying your frustrations here. In the same way that extremists believe that all westerners are exactly the same, you give the impression that you are exactly like them yourself. Thus becoming no better.
A shame that emotions need run higher than common sense.
Message edited by author 2007-04-29 01:15:59. |
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04/29/2007 09:45:40 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message. |
You do realise that you just said that you are willing to carry out acts of terrorism, don't you? In some Western democracies, this alone would be enough grounds for you to be arrested.
An escalating cycle of violence against targets guilty and innocent proved to be pretty ineffective in resolving the Troubles in Ireland. I remain unconvinced it would help resolve problems in other areas.
If I repay a wrong to me by getting revenge, it might leave me feeling sated for a time, but it doesn't repair my loss - and it DOES create a new set of people who want the same feelings of revenge against me.
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04/29/2007 11:22:17 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Here in Canada, the CBC recently put out a new sitcom called "Little Mosque on the Prairie."... |
For reasons entirely unrelated to the current discussion, I hate that show. :P I hate every lame-ass attempt at humour, drama, and reality tv that the CBC feels the need to inflict on the populace every so often. And to think my tax dollars are hard at work producing this stuff. Ugh.
Back to your regularly scheduled program. :) |
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04/29/2007 11:38:14 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by smartypants:
Isn't it funny how threads like this always turn into an argument between two people? You're both right, kiss and make up : ) |
You mean like the Vanish challenge thread?
What's funny is that you always have the one who doesn't contribute to the conversation but just comes in and tells everyone that a thread always turns out a certain way. ;) |
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04/29/2007 11:51:52 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by smartypants:
Isn't it funny how threads like this always turn into an argument between two people? You're both right, kiss and make up : ) |
You mean like the Vanish challenge thread?
What's funny is that you always have the one who doesn't contribute to the conversation but just comes in and tells everyone that a thread always turns out a certain way. ;) |
Now you're getting it! *sighs in a satisfied sort of way* : ) |
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04/29/2007 12:10:42 PM · #73 |
| Yeah, I thought I was pickin' up on it. |
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04/29/2007 01:34:02 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by paddles:
Originally posted by photodude:
Not planning on going berserk.
Just willing to level a few dozen or even hundred mosques every time they commit a terrorist act here. It wouldnt take them long to get the message. |
You do realise that you just said that you are willing to carry out acts of terrorism, don't you? In some Western democracies, this alone would be enough grounds for you to be arrested.
An escalating cycle of violence against targets guilty and innocent proved to be pretty ineffective in resolving the Troubles in Ireland. I remain unconvinced it would help resolve problems in other areas.
If I repay a wrong to me by getting revenge, it might leave me feeling sated for a time, but it doesn't repair my loss - and it DOES create a new set of people who want the same feelings of revenge against me. |
Let me clarify my position.
I believe it should be the policy of the United States of America that upon any terrorist attack by Islamics directed from and/or carried out by citizens of Islamic nations to respond in the following manor:
Military response by the US Armed forces upon randomly selected and/or appropriate (if that can be determined) Islamic nations civilian populations such that the goal of such attacks will be to inflict casualties in a ratio of 1,000:1 of that suffered by the United States.
If our government were to make that our policy and mean it, our threat level would drop to near zero.
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04/29/2007 01:45:41 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If you can't follow the simple concept that words and deeds are two different things, perhaps you should just read. |
As I said, you can't seem to debate or discuss a topic without insulting someone's intelligence.
In this instance, I do find this serial killer to be a little bit more ignorant than the words of an everyday photographer Joe. He says that the Qur'an tells him to kill people so he does it. Is he misinformed? If so, then he is unbelievably ignorant isn't he? You are surely not saying that he is in complete understanding the words that he reads for hours a day are you? If not then how do you get more ignorant than that?
You'll be glad to know that I did a little reading after your post. I read that the simple concept of douche and bag are two different things, but sometimes they go together like peanut butter and chocolate. Isn't that right Reese's Cup? |
I explained the difference between word and deed several times in this thread. Yet every time you post that you don't understand the difference between saying something and acting out. It's a very simple concept. Evidently you have absolutely no clue as to the difference. I'm afraid that if you cannot grasp you are probably beyond conventional help, perhaps you should consider private tutoring. Enjoy your candy.
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