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04/27/2007 07:06:14 PM · #1 |
I'm interested in your experience when going from P&S to DSLR. Here's mine -
I bought my DSLR and ran out to take photos all happy. Came back, uploaded them, opened them in PS, and they looked like CRAP compared to my P&S. The P&S was sharper, brighter, and more saturated by a long shot straight from camera. Even with those "turned up" on my SLR now - the HP still creates much more stunning photos straight from camera.
Of course a little processing in PS yeilds much nicer images in the end, and now that I have a couple years experience with a DSLR and lighting and DPC I'm getting much better images straight from camera.
So my contention is that the DSLR leaves more for you to process the way you want it in PS. I've heard similar things from other DSLR buyers -
But I wonder if it is inexperience with hardware that creates this, or is there a difference between the way these cameras process - making it easier for P&S owners to create nice images?
I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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04/27/2007 07:11:55 PM · #2 |
It's by design...
You answered you own question with this line:
Of course a little processing in PS yeilds much nicer images in the end, and now that I have a couple years experience with a DSLR and lighting and DPC I'm getting much better images straight from camera.
EDIT: While all those other posts came in Sorry
We have a lot more room in the digital darkroom. Peashooters process the heck out of the shot so people can go into Riteaid and the likes with their storage device and plug it into a kiosk and have prints made.
It is better to underprocess in the cam and then perfect the shot it in post processing software...
all dSLRs have parameters that can be tweaked to make it shoot like a peashooter for those that want to do less processing. For example Sharpen, Contrast, Tones can all be boosted (or flattened even more) in most dSLRs.
Message edited by author 2007-04-27 19:20:46. |
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04/27/2007 07:13:12 PM · #3 |
Heh, well if your shooting in raw not being so sharp is the point. ALL P&S's sharpen photos after their taken. With raw leaving it unsharpened allows you to control the initial sharpening instead of damaging the photo automatically. This in my opinion is the best way todo it.
For users that began with a 35mm SLR.... ME! Going back to a dSLR after having been stuck with a P&S. 1 You get lazy using and relying on the LCD. But the dSLR still provides alot more automation than an older (1970's) SLR.
Nothing beats a point in shoot for out of pocket snapshots. Many photographers i see here have their dSLR and their point and shoot and I will always have something light to carry.
dSLR Jpeg's
Looking around and listening it seems like several dSLR's do crappy jpeg's. Well some of these camera's especially the better ones have absolutely no reason todo a good in camera jpeg. It's not what their designed for.
Then again beginner dSLR's like the D40 I would expect todo well. |
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04/27/2007 07:14:01 PM · #4 |
What  awpollard said. You might be able to get closer to P&S results with your DSLR if you shoot JPEG and adjust the in camera processing. Sharpness is often times dependent on the user, but you can often get better color and contrast out of the camera from buying better quality (and more expensive) lenses. |
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04/27/2007 07:17:09 PM · #5 |
I don't even sharpen in RAW, I save that for later, preferrably at the very end for large prints.
Adding too much sharpening and saturation too early in processing can cause undesireable pixelation and artefacts, thus why DSLR's leave it out. I've had so many images damaged by in-camera sharpening, it's not even funny.
In other words, you're right, they're not, and I hope they keep it that way. |
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04/27/2007 07:25:14 PM · #6 |
It seemed to me, when I first got my DSLR, that the JPG's did look better than what I was getting from my point and shoot. Mainly because the P&S didn't have enough manual control, so the settings weren't optimal, and I held it out in front of me and composed with the LCD because the viewfinder was terrible.
I did turn up the contrast on the SLR for some reason though, so some of the first pictures I took don't have nearly as much usable dynamic range as the ones I shot in RAW once I found a good workflow for RAW files. |
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04/27/2007 08:10:49 PM · #7 |
Excellent - thank you.
After a couple of years, and new lenses, I wonder if I was just imagining things at first, or had to get used to the new camera.
I appreciate your input.
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04/27/2007 08:25:50 PM · #8 |
When I first got my DSLR I noticed that I was getting a lower number of "Good" shots than with my P&S. I know that most of this had to do with the automation of the P&S but much of it was my fault. I now had much more control over every setting and I was screwing it up. After a short time I learned how to use the camera and now my results are flipped way over. I can't evern use my old P&S cause it now sucks compared to my DSLR.
Something else I have learned about P&Ss ... Since P&Ss are sold to any Tom, Dick or Harry, they need to be as full proof as possible or the number of support calls the companies get is staggering. That is why most offer so little manual control. Ever shot with a P&S and had it tell you that IT thought the photo was blurred and you should retake it? Well these companies are doing anything and everything in their power to make P&Ss take the picture the owner intended, even if it makes the camera useless for a more advanced user.
Anyhow, something to think about when comparing the two camera worlds. |
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04/27/2007 10:00:58 PM · #9 |
The P&S cameras are set up to cater for every need in case the person using it doesnt know a thing about photography, but put yourself into a position that it is unable to control (low light, lots of water, lots of sky) and you will get bad results. This is where the DSLR has the advantage.
On top of that, everyone using a DSLR should do a basic photography course to learn the relationships between ASA/ISO, Shutter speed, Apperture, Depth of Field and different lenses (wide and long). This is where you will have the advantage. It is not enough to just put it on P or one of the preset modes and expect it to get the shot you want. I NEVER shoot in anything other than Manual mode on my camera, I take a light reading and set the camera accordingly.
So basically do a basic photography course and ask questions when you have bad results, that is the way you will learn and your skills will only get better and better.
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