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Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

04/24/2007 07:56:33 PM · #1

how about a challenge for cameras under 2/3/4 megapixels only for us non big camera owners....i think it would be a real challenge due to most caeras at that size are p&s and not high quality...but lets try it...what do ya say?

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

04/24/2007 08:00:17 PM · #2

Originally posted by Jib:

I dlove to pull out an old 1.3 MP Kodak dSLR fromt he DCS series that ended at 6 megapixel in 1995. I dont think they record exif.

And btw there are plenty of 3 and 4 megapixel cameras that can shoot great photographs. But there are cruddy ones.

Sony DSC-P32 This 3.2 megapixel camera shot a bunch of high 5's and slow low 6's. Thats just one camera.

Message edited by author 2007-04-24 20:02:58.

04/24/2007 08:02:19 PM · #3

That's implying that the camera is more responsible for the photo than the photographer, which is not true. Look at some of

Joey Lawrence's early work, for starters.

It also degrades the value of the ribbon, since you're essentially eliminating anyone you think can beat you. The ribbon then feels a bit less like a blue ribbon and more like a consolation prize.

Not to mention that I am always against any challenge topic that keeps anyone, blue or brown ribbon threats alike, from participating.

Message edited by author 2007-04-24 20:02:57.

04/24/2007 08:04:32 PM · #4

Originally posted by Rebecca:

That's implying that the camera is more responsible for the photo than the photographer, which is not true. Look at some of Joey Lawrence's early work, for starters.

It also degrades the value of the ribbon, since you're essentially eliminating anyone you think can beat you. The ribbon then feels a bit less like a blue ribbon and more like a consolation prize.

Not to mention that I am always against any challenge topic that keeps anyone, blue or brown ribbon threats alike, from participating.

not quite i believe there is some skill required but it just will make for a good ol leveling the playing grounds a little more...me entering a contest on here w/ my camera is like a fat kid entering the 50 meter dash

PhantomEWO

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

04/24/2007 08:06:45 PM · #5

For DPC submissions at 72 dpi and 640 pixel max size a 2 to 3 Mp camera is more than enough. True, a higher Mp and better camera processor may have better contrast, color sharpness etc but again at 72 dpi and such a small submission size, photoshop can make a great pic. I agree, most of the time it's the photog not the camera.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

04/24/2007 08:10:02 PM · #6

still with a p&S you get less lens options and less everything than a SLR
i own a sony cybershot DSC-P31... yea its bad

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

04/24/2007 08:10:10 PM · #7

Originally posted by Rebecca:

That's implying that the camera is more responsible for the photo than the photographer

Actually, I think that's the point: if it's the photographer, not the camera, then let's see what people can do without the latest and greatest.

I wouldn't mind, as long as the limit is, oh, say, 5MP. :)

04/24/2007 08:11:18 PM · #8

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
That's implying that the camera is more responsible for the photo than the photographer

Actually, I think that's the point: if it's the photographer, not the camera, then let's see what people can do without the latest and greatest.

I wouldn't mind, as long as the limit is, oh, say, 5MP. :)

precisely holms...actually 5mp is cuttin close...but im in!

purpleflutterby13

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/24/2007 08:13:40 PM · #9

Erm, I believe the resolution only really makes a difference when you're making prints. Even the 0.3 megapixel Mattel Barbie camera did a good job for the 640px resolution you're allowed in a challenge. The camera resolution in itself shouldn't really make a difference.

I don't see the rationale behind banning half of DPC from entering a challenge with an arbitrary limitation like that. If the purpose is to get rid of all the high-scoring photographers, why not be up-front about it and have a challenge banning anyone who's ever won a ribbon? Or come in the top 10? Or the top 20? It would be similar, but more honest.

purpleflutterby13

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/24/2007 08:15:17 PM · #10

Though I'm possibly just bitter because my 6 megapixel P&S wouldn't get in :)

okiesisi

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

04/24/2007 08:15:53 PM · #11

I think Jib is trying to make a good point, but maybe if we had a NO EDITING challenge? Straight from the camera....then we could really see what both the camera AND the photographer can do.
Just a thought....
(I do that from time to time)
~~SiSi

04/24/2007 08:18:12 PM · #12

no its not that...most people own a p&s camera...its alost a staple...some dont but i gaurentee you most people have one or know someone they can borrow one from...with the lowerend P&S you have less ISO certainly less Shutter options and more...even though the resoloution may be the same for all images...its still the quality of the SLR that makes a good pic...you just dont get it and some people wont, but it IS a good concept if you think about it

04/24/2007 08:33:06 PM · #13

Originally posted by okiesisi:

We have this already. It's the Minimal Editing rules. The Insect challenge on the front page ran under this one. There was also a Straight From the Camera challenge last summer.

I'm not entirely opposed to a P&S challenge, but limiting the megapixels is a bad idea - it excludes too many people.

04/24/2007 08:35:32 PM · #14

i think the only reason youre so opposed to this is because your camera is over 5 MP look go to k-mart and buy that barbie one listed above...it should do fine and im sure its like 20$

04/24/2007 08:38:33 PM · #15

Originally posted by Jib:

And I suppose that's why it's never been made into a challenge any of the zillions of other times it's been suggested.

Your camera is not to blame for your lack of success, and this does still seem to be the crux of your argument. In the real world, I have won ribbons for photos taken with 2 megapixel camera. The photo has more to do with the photographer than the camera, period. Plenty of people take craptastic photos with DSLRs, too. And since it has more to do with the photographer, limiting the camera is not going to help anyone handicap the challenge.

P.S: 2 megapixels:

Message edited by author 2007-04-24 20:44:40.

xXxscarletxXx

04/24/2007 08:39:19 PM · #16

I can knock my fujis Mp's back so i can still go in? hehe

04/24/2007 08:40:24 PM · #17

Originally posted by Jib:

i think the only reason youre so opposed to this is because your camera is over 5 MP look go to k-mart and buy that barbie one listed above...it should do fine and im sure its like 20$

You're right. If I can't enter a challenge based on equipment, I'm opposed to it. If others can't enter a challenge based on equipment, even if I can, I am opposed to it. Exclusion is highly, totally, and completely uncool on every level, for every photographer here. Period.

okiesisi

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

04/24/2007 08:41:40 PM · #18

yeah...I understand the minimal editing, but it still is editing. I must have missed the Straight from the Camera...sounds like fun, ya know, like old school when you took a pic and waited 2 weeks to get it back and see how it looked, lol.
as for Jib..I have never broken the 6.00 barrier, but I think I do pretty good with my little 3.2megapixel cannon. But thats just me.
~~SiSi

skylercall

Canon EOS-7D

04/24/2007 08:51:24 PM · #19

Originally posted by levyj413:

I wouldn't mind, as long as the limit is, oh, say, 5MP. :)

I think 5 is too high. There are too many good cameras with 5MP. 4MP sounds more realistic for a challenge like this.

04/24/2007 09:27:37 PM · #20

yea..actually im going to stick to my originol 2/3 with basic editing well SC what you think?

Message edited by author 2007-04-24 21:27:56.

04/24/2007 09:29:23 PM · #21

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

I can knock my fujis Mp's back so i can still go in? hehe

go for it the more the ?merryer? anyway yea...like i said most people have a 2 MP lying around somewhere or know someone who does, so i dont see why this would be so unreasonable

04/24/2007 09:35:48 PM · #22

Originally posted by Jib:

go for it the more the ?merryer?

This is my point. You're suggesting cutting people from the competition, but "the more the merrier"? That's quite a contradiction.

Originally posted by Jib:

anyway yea...like i said most people have a 2 MP lying around somewhere or know someone who does, so i dont see why this would be so unreasonable

According to who? What do you have to back that up? I know I don't have mine anymore.

And by the way, SC doesn't decide the challenges.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

04/24/2007 09:35:54 PM · #23

Originally posted by Jib:

yea..actually im going to stick to my originol 2/3 with basic editing well SC what you think?

Actually, I believe you said this:

Originally posted by Jib:

:P BTW, This camera did fairly well for me (and a couple other as well) at 4MP. :D

Ideas similar to this have been bounced around before on DPC. Usually some complaints about exclusion, etc... To even it out you'd probably need a second 'Open Challenge' to run at the same time for cameras > 4MP.

Good luck! :)

04/24/2007 09:39:03 PM · #24

i like the idea of 2 seperate challenges...<3 MP P&S challenge and a >3 MP P&S challenge at the same time...GREAT IDEA that will silece some complainers about the topic