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04/23/2007 12:05:27 PM · #751 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Don, thanks for the reminder.
I don't recall seeing anything recently, though, that even comes close to being of concern. Do you? |
 mak was banned for three months for voting on his wife's shots and friends shots. There is a thread on it.
Here is the thread:
Banned
Message edited by author 2007-04-23 12:08:01. |
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04/23/2007 12:14:48 PM · #752 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Maybe we need to be a little less direct in this thread about commenting on each other's photographs during the voting process. Not that I'm paranoid or anything. |
This is a good point - last week Raish had mentioned my leaving a comment on his insect pic; because it happened to be the *only* comment I left that day for Insects, I knew immediately what pic it was. Since I had already given it a 10, I certainly couldn't have used my knowledge to influence his score any more than I had before I knew of it, but suddenly knowing the identity of one of the photogs entered in Insects was a little unsettling. I like the fact that I'm voting on images that are (at least identifiable-by-name-wise, if not identifiable-by-style) anonymous.
Not intending to criticize you, Raish. :) Just using the situation to illustrate a point. |
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04/23/2007 12:31:21 PM · #753 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Maybe we need to be a little less direct in this thread about commenting on each other's photographs during the voting process. Not that I'm paranoid or anything. |
This is a good point - last week Raish had mentioned my leaving a comment on his insect pic; because it happened to be the *only* comment I left that day for Insects, I knew immediately what pic it was. Since I had already given it a 10, I certainly couldn't have used my knowledge to influence his score any more than I had before I knew of it, but suddenly knowing the identity of one of the photogs entered in Insects was a little unsettling. I like the fact that I'm voting on images that are (at least identifiable-by-name-wise, if not identifiable-by-style) anonymous.
Not intending to criticize you, Raish. :) Just using the situation to illustrate a point. |
That shouldn't make you uncomfortable. You didn't know who's it was when you voted and commented on it. As long as you're not giving him a 10 in every challenge, it should be obvious that there is no pattern of friend voting going on. When I vote, I usually vote 100% on whatever challenge I'm voting on. I don't know others photos before I vote on them, so I'm voting fairly based on my own taste and obviously voting on other TS members photos. Some might get 10's, that's just the way it works out. I usually get at least 1 10 or 9 per challenge (though I consistently score low). I wish I knew where they came from. But I'm just happy that someone liked it enough to give it to me. |
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04/23/2007 12:35:35 PM · #754 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
That shouldn't make you uncomfortable. You didn't know who's it was when you voted and commented on it. As long as you're not giving him a 10 in every challenge, it should be obvious that there is no pattern of friend voting going on. When I vote, I usually vote 100% on whatever challenge I'm voting on. I don't know others photos before I vote on them, so I'm voting fairly based on my own taste and obviously voting on other TS members photos. Some might get 10's, that's just the way it works out. I usually get at least 1 10 or 9 per challenge (though I consistently score low). I wish I knew where they came from. But I'm just happy that someone liked it enough to give it to me. |
I take your point, but my main concern is "what if" - what if I had only voted him a 7? Now, if I want to go back and bump up the vote (which I tend to do, I review images several times and frequently bump them up) that action is, to an outside observer, now suspect.
It just turned out ok since I had already voted him the highest I could go.
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04/23/2007 12:55:47 PM · #755 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
That shouldn't make you uncomfortable. You didn't know who's it was when you voted and commented on it. As long as you're not giving him a 10 in every challenge, it should be obvious that there is no pattern of friend voting going on. When I vote, I usually vote 100% on whatever challenge I'm voting on. I don't know others photos before I vote on them, so I'm voting fairly based on my own taste and obviously voting on other TS members photos. Some might get 10's, that's just the way it works out. I usually get at least 1 10 or 9 per challenge (though I consistently score low). I wish I knew where they came from. But I'm just happy that someone liked it enough to give it to me. |
Originally posted by krnodil:
I take your point, but my main concern is "what if" - what if I had only voted him a 7? Now, if I want to go back and bump up the vote (which I tend to do, I review images several times and frequently bump them up) that action is, to an outside observer, now suspect.
It just turned out ok since I had already voted him the highest I could go. |
I think that the point is, and what's a shame that we have to do, is that we want to be aware of, and careful about, any exchanges that could unwittingly expose the owner of an entry so that the perception of propriety is there at all times.
I go out of my way to not thank people for comments on my shots during a challenge, except only in the most obtuse of ways and generally if I do, it's days after the comment is made so as to obfuscate the knowledge of the comment even more.
I really look only at the shot as to its merits and don't wonder at all whose it may be.
Message edited by author 2007-04-23 12:59:30.
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04/23/2007 01:02:52 PM · #756 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I go out of my way to not thank people for comments on my shots during a challenge, except only in the most obtuse of ways and generally if I do, it's days after the comment is made so as to obfuscate the knowledge of the comment even more. |
I quite agree - it would be a shame if we neglected to thank others for comments out of fear of impropriety, but if we just tried to do so with a pinch of "obfuscation" to preserve anonymity that should do the trick.
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04/23/2007 01:08:28 PM · #757 |
Thanking everyone for comments, after voting is over, is a good idea. Particularly for Team Suck. We get to see what each of us did each challenge, which gets us more comments and feedback for our photos. Noting during voting that we got a comment from someone else in Team Suck is vague enough, but identifying the commenter might put them in a bad spot.
It's a similar idea with outtakes. I have a picture which would be perfect for Bubbles, but I won't share it until after that challenge's voting has ended.
That said, I haven't seen anything like vote trolling going on in our threads. There are times when I think I recognize a photographer by the style of the picture, only to find out afterward I was wrong.
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04/23/2007 01:12:45 PM · #758 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Don, thanks for the reminder.
I don't recall seeing anything recently, though, that even comes close to being of concern. Do you? |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
mak was banned for three months for voting on his wife's shots and friends shots. There is a thread on it.
Here is the thread:
Banned |
Well, that's kind of an ugly little thread!
I find oit hard to believe that people have such a problem with the principles of being fair and honest......sigh....
Sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late.
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04/23/2007 01:14:09 PM · #759 |
| My suggestion - if someone makes a comment in the Team Suck thread that directly reveals an entry/photographer during the voting process -ask that person by PM to edit and take out the comment. The comment can easily be reposted after the challenge is over. |
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04/23/2007 01:17:36 PM · #760 |
Hey all
I know the feeling Jeb, I was born at least 100 years too late too. Oh well.
HAIR
Votes: 235
Views: 320
Avg Vote: 4.5319
Comments: 8
Kitchenware
Votes: 45
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 4.6444
Comments: 0
oh, am I ever sucking. Just as well! Might try to get in bubbles but if not then triptych.
I skipped quickly through several pages of thread so maybe I missed it - Svetlana, cast off the leg now? Everything OK? |
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04/23/2007 01:27:40 PM · #761 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
I don't recall seeing anything recently, though, that even comes close to being of concern. Do you? |
My post was a reaction to the recent crackdown. I have seen nothing on this thread that I consider a problem.
p.s. dipple-wipple means "DPL fka WPL" and Deb, about your points... well um er .. um... ng.. errr ok. |
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04/23/2007 01:38:17 PM · #762 |
| Apparently the crackdown has affected a Team Suck member. Sorry about that. |
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04/23/2007 01:46:34 PM · #763 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I find oit hard to believe that people have such a problem with the principles of being fair and honest......sigh....
Sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late. |
I can't tell from this which side you're taking on this issue, but it could be interpreted as you saying that anyone who has been banned is unfair and dishonest.
I don't think we should act as judge and jury on this issue. Team Suck is a supportive community, and a safe environment. The Site Council doesn't need our help condemning anyone. |
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04/23/2007 01:52:20 PM · #764 |
Yowza...just looked at that mercifully short thread on being banned...I'm not passing judgement on anyone, but if I recognize (or think I recognize) a TS'ers pic then yes, I may give it a high score - if it warrants it with a nice creative bent or just stunning qualities to it. If it's obviously oof or blurry, well then I give it an according score. SOmetimes after challenges,I look at the scores I gave fellow TSers and wish I'd given a higher score (esp if the pic deserved it) but that can't be changed.
Just my $.02 CDN.... |
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04/23/2007 02:11:33 PM · #765 |
The point of the voting is that it is based on the images and not the photog. Of course you are still allowed to give good marks to photos from other suckers, providing that -
a) You're not giving them that mark *because* you know that the photo is from a sucker.
b) You're giving them that mark because of the photo, not the photog.
and presumably
c) You've not seen the shot before.
Though I guess c) isn't so important so long as you vote according to a and b and vote to your normal standards. |
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04/23/2007 02:47:27 PM · #766 |
No, the site council does not need our help. It is not wrong or cheating to support family/friends or wanting support from family and friends. In fact, what is unnatural, is to suppress that support.
To me, it seems more of a case of confusion about the dpchallenge rules. I would rather we clarify the dpchallenge rules within our group as much as possible to keep the wolves out. |
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04/23/2007 03:46:04 PM · #767 |
I exchange some (but not all) of my potential challenge pics with someone on DPC - and I see theirs quite often as well. We then do not vote on each other's shots in those instances. It's probably quite apparent to SC that we do so from my end, because I vote every picture in a challenge - except those I've seen prior (and occasionally those I can't fairly vote on for some unusual reason - too small, subject matter that I find personally objectionable, etc.)
All that said, I have zero (0) comments on what I thought was a really cool Kitchenware shot.... sniff.... |
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04/23/2007 03:55:58 PM · #768 |
If the crackdown has affected a Team Sucker - don't worry about it. If it's simply a case of supporting a friend without "eeeevillll" intent (and I'm sure it is) just accept this weird situation, don't vote on that friend's pics anymore, and move on. We still love you, you're still welcome here, and all that good kumbaya and 'smores treats around the fire stuff.
Now if you had a whole ring of ghost accounts and paid voters.... well why the heck didn't you share?? Hmmm? :-) |
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04/23/2007 04:02:25 PM · #769 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by posthumous:
OFFICIAL TEAM SUCK VOTING POLICY
-The only possible exception to the above rule is if you specifically use Team Suck as your circle of voting buddies, or if you use the team suck thread to "advertise" which photo is yours. |
Don, I guess I'm not really clear on this point. |
"circle of voting buddies" means e-mailing your photo to people at Team Suck in hopes that they will vote high for it.
"advertise" means posting clues to which photo is yours on this thread. |
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04/23/2007 05:07:51 PM · #770 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I find oit hard to believe that people have such a problem with the principles of being fair and honest......sigh....
Sometimes I think I was born a couple hundred years too late. |
I can't tell from this which side you're taking on this issue, but it could be interpreted as you saying that anyone who has been banned is unfair and dishonest.
I don't think we should act as judge and jury on this issue. Team Suck is a supportive community, and a safe environment. The Site Council doesn't need our help condemning anyone. |
Uh, no, not at all meaning to condemn anyone......I just feel that it's really not too hard to abide the few rules of common ethics and I have seen too much of SC having to clamp down on specific practices that I see as a given.
I have done so many screwed up things in my life that I have no room to be judgemental, excepting possibly from my own bad behavior being an example, but I learned long ago that doesn't really fly.
And because that thread did evoke some strong feelings I chose not to add my two cents.......it's really not necessary.
Message edited by author 2007-04-23 17:13:33.
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04/23/2007 05:21:23 PM · #771 |
Guys, if anyone hasn't had a look at this tutorial, do so now:
Moving the light
I'm annoyed I haven't seen it before - I just used it on my Kitchenware entry, and it went from being an image I'm not really that happy with to being one I'm genuinely pleased with. I couldn't have seen it yesterday in time to change it before voting, oh no... At least I'll know how to move light for all future challenges :)
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04/23/2007 05:24:43 PM · #772 |
'tis me - a Team Suck newbie who just got suspended. What a way to introduce yourself to a new group, eh?
Just had to comment on this thing of "common ethics". I did not feel what I did was unethical. I was not trying to sway votes, move my friend up, move others down. No deceit involved and no motive other than to be a cheerleader.
I guess in hindsight, when this is all thrown in your face, and you see the reactions of everyone - well it stops to make you think for sure. But the only tangible thing I violated was the voting guides here at DPC. And I won't do it again.
But my concern is if I am going to be on some kind of watch list now. I do not typically vote in favor of what the rest of DPC votes for. I do not always agree with some of the challenge winning pics. Someone made a comment in another thread that if a shot is really that great, the final vote will reflect that. Well if you are lemming, SURE, that is how things will work out. But I have seen many underrated pics at DPC who deserved higher scores. And I am sure I am not alone in my thinking.
Oh back to my concern. lol. SINCE, I have a tendency for the more unusual, what if I vote a low-rated pic high? And what if it is the same person or persons each time. After all, we tend to develop our own certain style of photography and we probably like to vote well on certain styles too. I'm not changing my voting style so I guess it will be interesting to see what happens next.
My suggestion to you all is that IF you share pics before a challenge, just leave a comment and pass on giving a score. Otherwise, don't share pics! Leave comments AND scores! It's already been said that what people really want is comments but you know what??? We all want comments and scores. So don't share the final product. Don't get into my situation lol.
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04/23/2007 05:25:03 PM · #773 |
With my current kitchenware picture displaying my usual level of suckiness (4.6 and dropping), I'm off to look for potential shots for either of the open challenges.
Thanks for the link purpleflutterby13!
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04/23/2007 05:30:44 PM · #774 |
Hey all you critter lovers! I finally got a decent shot of my blow-out cat! SAhe's so white that I can never get a good shot of her without blowing out the highlights everywhere.
I have one question, and it's strictly rhetorical 'cause I did things completely off the map for Basic Editing, but with the location of her face, would this shot qualify as an example of the rule of thirds?
I have never really totally gotten a grasp on what that entails.
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04/23/2007 05:33:48 PM · #775 |
| Michelle, I don't think you were being dishonest - just being a friend. As I said, if you share pics, don't vote on 'em. And I'll keep voting the way I always do, which oddly enough tends to favor certain photographers simply because I happen to like a style that those people shoot well. |
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