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04/22/2007 05:59:37 PM · #1 |
I've started looking for a new car and have come across some terms that are not explained (at least not where I can find). They seem to relate to how environmentally friendly a vehicle is.
For example: Honda Accord Hybrid is Tier 2 Bin 2
and the Honda Element is Tier 2 Bin 5
I suspect that the lower the bin number the better but where can I look for definitions of Tier and Bin?
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04/22/2007 07:12:03 PM · #2 |
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04/22/2007 07:16:39 PM · #3 |
I guess the end doesn't justify the means.
What gets me about the Honda Accord is that the Hybrid is only available as a V6. Pooey on that. I currently have a 4 cylinder Accord and it has plenty of power. The VTECH engine works wonders.
I wonder what the difference in emissions is between the V6 Hybrid and the 4 cylinder Element.
Thanks for the link.
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04/22/2007 07:19:45 PM · #4 |
| My cousin has a Scion, and loves it. |
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04/22/2007 07:20:30 PM · #5 |
I don't know what's available in Canada, but here's the US Environmental Protection Agency's Green Vehicle Guide:
//www.epa.gov/greenvehicle/
Oh, and before I'd take it as gospel that the Prius is more harmful to the environment than the Hummer, I'd check the source. I don't know anything about the organization that put out that article, but for example, it cites a study by a marketing company. Well, who do they do marketing for?
For all I know, the article's accurate. But I'd suggest looking for independent verification from a source that isn't connected to SUV manufacturers and doesn't have a political viewpoint.
Or, on the other side, an environmental organization that concurs with the article's claims.
I'm looking for other viewpoints on the claims on that article.
Message edited by author 2007-04-22 19:23:40.
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04/22/2007 07:28:29 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
I don't know what's available in Canada, but here's the US Environmental Protection Agency's Green Vehicle Guide:
//www.epa.gov/greenvehicle/
Oh, and before I'd take it as gospel that the Prius is more harmful to the environment than the Hummer, I'd check the source. I don't know anything about the organization that put out that article, but for example, it cites a study by a marketing company. Well, who do they do marketing for?
For all I know, the article's accurate. But I'd suggest looking for independent verification from a source that isn't connected to SUV manufacturers and doesn't have a political viewpoint.
Or, on the other side, an environmental organization that concurs with the article's claims.
I'm looking for other viewpoints on the claims on that article. |
Good point. I'll be interested to see what you come up with.
I'm certainly no fan of the Hummer; despise them, actually. It's my opinion that the best car for the environment is a used car with decent mileage and low emissions. The disposable car mentality baffles me.
Edit to add: That comment was not directed towards you, Colette. Understandably, there are many good reasons for buying a new car.
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04/22/2007 07:29:19 PM · #7 |
Thanks for the link.
However, that chart is a bit confusing since vehicles (same model) appear in the list more than once.
edit: I'm currently on my second car. My first, Honda CRX, I kept for 12 years. My current vehicle is 8 years old and doesn't cost anything (other than regular maintenance) so at present I'm just looking.
Message edited by author 2007-04-22 19:31:25.
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04/22/2007 07:53:57 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
It's my opinion that the best car for the environment is a used car with decent mileage and low emissions. The disposable car mentality baffles me. |
Yep, I'm with you 100%. We have a 10-year-old Taurus and a 5-year-old minivan. We only drive the Taurus about 1000 miles/yr. We're sure it's better for the environment for us to continue driving it that small amount, even with crappy gas mileage, than buy a new car, even a hybrid.
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04/22/2007 08:10:04 PM · #9 |
About the article...the whole thing sounded pretty suspect, so I did some googling (for one thing, the idea that a Toyota would only run for 100k miles, where a Hummer would be on the road for 300k is just plain silly)....
The first article published was a March 2006 US News and World report article that reported on a study by CNW Marketing Research, which does commissioned marketing studies (marketing, not science), for the automotive industry. Other similar articles, including the one in question, have pretty much parroted the US News article.
Apparently, the CNW "study" made a bunch of ridiculous assumptions that wouldn't pass any kind of peer review process, and other, peer reviewed studies came to the exact opposite conclusion that CNW did. Toyota's response to the study is here. |
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04/22/2007 09:41:42 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by annpatt:
Apparently, the CNW "study" made a bunch of ridiculous assumptions that wouldn't pass any kind of peer review process, and other, peer reviewed studies came to the exact opposite conclusion that CNW did. Toyota's response to the study is here. |
From the linked article: "Toyota Prius hybrid saloon"
Now this, I would buy. ;)
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