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04/21/2007 05:48:18 PM · #1 |
I have to admit this is the first time I have voted on an expert editing challenge. Before I start voting I would like a little input. If you have time - could a few of you give me advice on the following?
1. In an expert challenge should a voter be picky about dust bunnies since photographer had every opportunity to take them out of the picture?
2. Should a voter be picky about ânon-intentional noiseâ?
3. Should a voter be picky about general problems that could of been solved with editing?
3. Should the voter put just as much weight in the editing as the photograph?
I want to make sure I am voting properly in this type of challenge.
Thanks in advance,
SDW
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04/21/2007 05:56:59 PM · #2 |
| For me, I find the "dust bunnies" distracting, so that's your call, of course. As far as the noise, and "general problems", I for one never assume it's unintentional. For me, if I'm distracted by an effect, dust bunnies or otherwise, I just leave a comment stating that. Just my opinion. |
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04/21/2007 06:02:58 PM · #3 |
Vote how you feel. If you want to put more or less weight on one or another of those issues, go for it.
I, for instance, *can't stand* editing that goes beyond the realm of "photo" into "digital art". (Adding non-photo elements, etc.) |
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04/21/2007 06:03:02 PM · #4 |
I'm thinking that if it's a problem that could be solved in Basic Editing, then there's no reason it shouldn't have been solved in Expert Editing, and will vote accordingly. However, Expert Editing is an option, not a requirement, so I don't place any weight at all on the extent of the editing. Heck, a really well-done Expert entry may not look like Expert was used at all.
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04/21/2007 06:13:10 PM · #5 |
| I agree with chimericvisions... weight these things as you choose. For myself, if someone enters a shot in an Expert Editing challenge that has clear, easy-to-rectify editing problems, I will vote it lower. I weight technicals higher in Expert than I do otherwise. I really don't care if a shot is highly edited or not; there's no reason that because the tools/techniques are *available* that they *must* be used. In fact, my own entry in the April Free Study could almost have been entered in a Basic Editing challenge, except that I processed two different areas of the image separately using layers. |
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04/21/2007 06:25:18 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Vote how you feel. If you want to put more or less weight on one or another of those issues, go for it.
I, for instance, *can't stand* editing that goes beyond the realm of "photo" into "digital art". (Adding non-photo elements, etc.) |
Indeed. |
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04/21/2007 06:25:33 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
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1. In an expert challenge should a voter be picky about dust bunnies since photographer had every opportunity to take them out of the picture?
2. Should a voter be picky about ânon-intentional noiseâ?
3. Should a voter be picky about general problems that could of been solved with editing?
3. Should the voter put just as much weight in the editing as the photograph?... |
3. I have only a single image per entry to vote/comment on. Editing (or lack thereof) is part of the process of making it what it is. I see no purpose or means to separate the part from the whole.
2. & 1. Dust bunnies, noise, perspective, composition, tones and a myriad of other potential elements either serve a purpose (integrate a part sensibly into form/content) or they do not.
Personally, I believe in rigour when voting and commenting and a little enthusiasm when things, apparently, have come together. Being picky is good. Nit-picking is much easier, of course, but small. |
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04/21/2007 06:43:25 PM · #8 |
swhiddon,
Just vote base on how u feel and think of the entries.
As for me, casting vote is difficult since there are many really good and awesome entries.
1st, I browse all the entries
2nd, I cast my votes
3rd, I check on all the votes I casted as to makesure I voted them correctly ( Here, where I make some changing on the votes )
my final step is to makesure I'm satisfied with my votes.
I'm a happy voter! :D
oh another step, I trying not to vote in any challenge i enter. :D
Message edited by author 2007-04-21 18:46:46. |
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04/22/2007 02:27:00 AM · #9 |
Thanks everyone for your response to my questions. I'm sorry I have posted in return, may dad was sick today and I had to help my mother.
I think each of you answered my questions. I know that the best edited photograph is one that you can't see the editing. The main thing was should a voter be more critical of things that could of been fixed in basic editing and was not in a challenge that allowed the photographer every opportunity to do so, "expert editing". |
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04/22/2007 05:46:22 AM · #10 |
I think that a voter should vote according to what he or she thinks are the factors in each photo and not according to what other people say is important.
If you think you should be "more critical" then do that.
Personally, I do not alter my voting depending on the editing rules, I alter it depending on the photos. |
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04/22/2007 06:27:03 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
... If you have time - could a few of you give me advice on the following?
1. In an expert challenge should a voter be picky about dust bunnies since photographer had every opportunity to take them out of the picture?
2. Should a voter be picky about ânon-intentional noiseâ?
3. Should a voter be picky about general problems that could of been solved with editing?
3. Should the voter put just as much weight in the editing as the photograph? |
Voting criteria, of course, is a personal decision. There is no right or wrong.
For myself I vote images with little regard to the rule set applied and usually score based primarily on the technical and esthetic aspects of a photograph, then maybe fine adjust upward for challenge topic.
My personal opinions regarding your questions:
1-Sensor dust is a distraction in any photograph and is treated the same, even in 'Minimal' where it cannot be removed.
2-Image noise is evaluated based on whether or not it supports the image in a positive way. Most "non-intentional" noise does not and is usually evaluated as a technical flaw.
3-Technical issues - such as brightness, color, contrast, poor framing or sharpness - that could be corrected in post processing but are not are usually evaluated as technical flaws. Any post processing technique poorly applied to an image is treated as a technical flaw.
4-The technical quality of the image is valued above the method used to achieve it. Post processing is not a requirement, even under 'Expert' rules, but virtually every image needs some.
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04/22/2007 06:32:13 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Thanks everyone for your response to my questions. I'm sorry I have posted in return, may dad was sick today and I had to help my mother.
I think each of you answered my questions. I know that the best edited photograph is one that you can't see the editing. The main thing was should a voter be more critical of things that could of been fixed in basic editing and was not in a challenge that allowed the photographer every opportunity to do so, "expert editing". |
I might tend to be a little more critical of "simple" errors which could have been fixed, unless they appear to have been made part of the photo somehow.
Each photo needs to evaluated for those kinds of decisions independently, in my opinion. A photo with a very simple error might get docked more than a photo than another with the same error depending on that problem's overall impact on the shot. e.g. A dust speck in the center of a portrait would warrant more penalty than a speck in the shadow of a tree trunk. |
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