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04/16/2007 03:03:43 PM · #26 |
| this is beyond horrible. my neighbor's son is an engineering student there, and she hasn't been able to get through to him yet. another senseless way to remember the date. |
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04/16/2007 03:04:10 PM · #27 |
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04/16/2007 03:04:16 PM · #28 |
A federal law enforcement officer is telling Fox News that at least 32 people killed at Virginia Tech. Also reporting a press conference will be held around 4:30 p.m. EDT today. First shooting was around 7:00 a.m., which took one life. Then a two-hour silence before the second shooting which took 31 lives. Fox News is reporting that the gun man is one of the deceased.
Message edited by author 2007-04-16 15:08:06.
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04/16/2007 03:08:57 PM · #29 |
| Skip, hope for the best. At Virginia Tech, nearly all the students are engineering students. I'm sure the phone lines are simply jammed and will be for awhile. |
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04/16/2007 03:12:16 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
A federal law enforcement officer is telling Fox News that at least 32 people killed at Virginia Tech. Also reporting a press conference will be held around 4:30 p.m. EDT today. First shooting was around 7:00 a.m., which took one life. Then a two-hour silence before the second shooting which took 31 lives. Fox News is reporting that the gun man is one of the deceased. |
yep, FOX news is reporting 32 dead and 28 wounded now. |
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04/16/2007 03:19:02 PM · #31 |
| very very sad stuff... Instead of 'why' my mind asks 'how' someone can do something like this... |
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04/16/2007 04:32:49 PM · #32 |
It`s very sad. And sadder still is it will happen again and again.
And nothing will be done about it. |
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04/16/2007 04:43:48 PM · #33 |
Yeah when i saw it I was actually thinking about you skip... hope everything turns out ok!!
Being a engineering student myself at Villanova you hope to never see this.
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04/16/2007 04:44:44 PM · #34 |
"rumor" amongst the students on facebook.com is that it's a young asian student who was searching for his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend.
So terrible it makes me skin crawl.
seems like a lot of the students are upset over there that classes weren't canceled after the first shooting.
-Personally I dont think you can blame the school for something like this.
Message edited by author 2007-04-16 16:46:30. |
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04/16/2007 04:58:00 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by WickedB:
"rumor" amongst the students on facebook.com is that it's a young asian student who was searching for his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend. |
I would be surprised to find this was true. You don't shoot 32 people looking for your ex-girlfriend.
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04/16/2007 05:00:13 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Skip:
this is beyond horrible. my neighbor's son is an engineering student there, and she hasn't been able to get through to him yet. another senseless way to remember the date. |
I have a good friend whose son and niece go to VT. I just heard from another mutual friend that Andrew is okay. His first class wasn't until 11, so he wasn't on campus. However, with a shooting this size, and a school the size of VT, it is highly likely that one of the victims is a friend or acquaintance. :(
It's still so sad. I can't imagine what the parents must be feeling. |
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04/16/2007 05:03:46 PM · #37 |
| it's all over the news here in Virginia and it's just awful. |
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04/16/2007 05:06:44 PM · #38 |
| its all over the news world wide. |
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04/16/2007 05:16:50 PM · #39 |
I would be surprised to find this was true. You don't shoot 32 people looking for your ex-girlfriend.
Why would you shoot 32 people then? I think it is obvious that this guy was not rational and unrational people shoot others for pointless reasons all the time. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were the reason. |
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04/16/2007 05:17:24 PM · #40 |
"Investigators told NBC News that they had so far been unable to positively identify the gunman, whose face was disfigured when he was killed. He carried no ID or cell phone, and an initial check on his fingerprints came up empty."
This is probably enough to debunk the ex-girlfriend rumor. There's no way to know a motive without a positive ID. All anyone can do is guess.
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04/16/2007 05:19:48 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
This is probably enough to debunk the ex-girlfriend rumor. There's no way to know a motive without a positive ID. All anyone can do is guess. |
Not necessarily. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was the case. I'm sure there were plenty of witnesses that survived and could describe him. Plus, the dorm room shootings were focused at one room from what I've heard, and many people would be familiar with who lived in that room, etc. |
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04/16/2007 05:21:35 PM · #42 |
i am overtaken with sadness and anger
let us all remember to love and be kind to one another and never take our lives for granted
all my prayers with the victims and their families & friends |
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04/16/2007 05:21:36 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
I would be surprised to find this was true. You don't shoot 32 people looking for your ex-girlfriend.
Why would you shoot 32 people then? I think it is obvious that this guy was not rational and unrational people shoot others for pointless reasons all the time. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were the reason. |
People who shoot any number of people, 2 or 32, are rarely rational. But there are several things that are generally true in these situations. People who are angry at groups shoot groups. People who are at angry at specific individuals shoot those specific individuals, and maybe one or two who might happen to be in the way. Thirty two people? On opposite sides of campus? That's not a lover's spat, that's either hella pissed off at a whole group of people or a psychotic break.
Edited to point out: If any of the many witnesses recognized him, the name would be published already. Maybe not released by investigators, but certainly passed along on venues like Facebook and given as "unconfirmed" by the media outlets.
Message edited by author 2007-04-16 17:29:11.
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04/16/2007 05:27:33 PM · #44 |
I said 'rumor' and by no means am I trying to justify what happened.
What I can't understand is how anyone, even someone unrational, can break for 2 hours and than continue. |
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04/16/2007 05:39:29 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by WickedB:
I said 'rumor' and by no means am I trying to justify what happened.
What I can't understand is how anyone, even someone unrational, can break for 2 hours and than continue. |
Assuming both shootings were perpetrated by the same person (not proven yet, AFAIK), he may have had to go off-campus to get the entire arsenal.
The dormitory shooting sounds like a(n all-too) typical domestic dispute with handgun. The second shootings sound like revenge/suicide with multiple semi-automatic weapons.
The other real mystery seems to be in the response (or lack thereof) to the first shooting by local police and the campus administration. I have a feeling there will be plenty of culpabilty to go around ... : ( |
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04/16/2007 06:13:53 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
Virginia, I think has a 48 hr wait, but it is not hard to get guns and ammo here. We also have concealed carry here as well.
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We have concealed carry in maryland but you pretty much have to have been shot at or shot, on record in addition to the fbi finger print card and the 11 other steps it takes in some states.
On the more serious note the requirement is threat of harm or attack, notarized or on police report. |
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04/16/2007 06:24:47 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by marbo:
It`s very sad. And sadder still is it will happen again and again.
And nothing will be done about it. |
It is awful beyond words. And what worries me now is the backlash of paranoid "security" measures this could generate to make life difficult for all of us on campuses, without actually solving the issue.
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04/16/2007 06:32:44 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Originally posted by marbo:
It`s very sad. And sadder still is it will happen again and again.
And nothing will be done about it. |
It is awful beyond words. And what worries me now is the backlash of paranoid "security" measures this could generate to make life difficult for all of us on campuses, without actually solving the issue. |
I think that 60.000.000 peoples with 200.000.000 guns(Italian television from F.B.I. source) is the true crazy situation. it's very easy that 1 crazy people can use it.... |
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04/16/2007 06:42:03 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
We have concealed carry in maryland but you pretty much have to have been shot at or shot, |
Not true.
APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS:
Applications may be mailed to: Maryland State Police, Handgun Permit Section, 7751 Washington Blvd., Jessup, Maryland 20794.
1. Two applications must be typed or printed as an original. Carbons, photocopies or applications with corrections will not be accepted. All questions on the application must be answered.
2. Applications must be signed by applicant, and sworn to before a notary public.
3. Applications must be accompanied by a check or money order in the amount of $117.00, made payable to Maryland State Police. Application fee - $75.00 and C.J.I.S. Record Check Fee - $18.00 and F.B.I. Record Check Fee - $24.00. THE FEE IS NON-REFUNDABLE. CASH WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
4. Applications must be accompanied by three (3) photographs 1 1/2" X 1 1/2" square, head and shoulders, full face, no hat, no dark glasses, and a light background. Photographs must have been taken within the last 30 days.
5. Three (3) character references which must be completed and notarized by your reference. References must have known applicant for two or more years.
6. Applications must be accompanied by one (1) Blue and White F.B.I. Applicant Fingerprint Card and one (1) Orange and White C.J.I.S. Fingerprint Card. Fingerprint cards must be obtained at your local Maryland State Police Barrack prior to submitting your application to the Security Annex. You may contact your local barrack for times of fingerprinting.
7. Applicants who are employed as Security Guards, Private Detectives, Special Policemen, etc., must submit a certification of qualification with a handgun by a Maryland State Police Certified Handgun Instructor.
8. Renewals--Renewals are the responsibility of the applicant. The expiration date is on the face of the permit, and the holder must apply at least 90 days prior to the expiration date.
One Renewal or Subsequent application must be notarized,
accompanied by a check or money order made payable to the Maryland State Police, in the amount of $74.00, Application Fee - $50.00 and F.B.I. Record Check Fee $24.00,
Three (3) photographs,
One (1) F.B.I. Applicant Fingerprint Card.
A four (4) hour handgun recertification certificate from a State Police Certified Handgun Instructor must be submitted by all Security Guards, Private Detectives, Special Policemen, etc., with their renewal or subsequent applications. |
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04/16/2007 06:57:29 PM · #50 |
Under Documents Required. You can apply but these are required.
* Two applications must be typed or printed as an original.
* Non refundable check or money order in the amount of $117.00.
* Three (3) photographs 1 1/2" X 1 1/2" square, head and shoulders, full face, no hat, no dark glasses, and a light background.
* Three (3) character references which must be completed and notarized by your reference. References must have known applicant for two or more years.
* Applications must be accompanied by one (1) Blue and White F.B.I. Applicant Fingerprint Card and one (1) Orange and White C.J.I.S. Fingerprint Card.
* Personal Protection; must be documented evidence of recent threats and/or assaults, supported by police reports and/or notarized statements.
* Professional Activities; (Doctors, Lawyers, Pharmacists, etc.), must produce evidence of threats or assaults.
Found on the same exact page.
Message edited by author 2007-04-16 19:02:28. |
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