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 04/12/2007 02:58:27 PM · #26
Originally posted by klstover:
There are alternatives for an artist who does not want to be a part of the "industry". They might not be alternatives that make a lot more sense, cost-wise, but the artist IS choosing to be a part of the system, right?


Maybe in the sense a prostitute can choose who her pimp is...
 04/12/2007 03:04:56 PM · #27
*nod*
I don't know much about the specifics of monetary compensation to artists. I was thinking about the site Magnatune but I don't know if this is more compensation than traditional alternatives, although I was under the impression that it was.
 04/12/2007 03:14:16 PM · #28
pixlmaker :) that's easy:
when it comes to my own photos I will scream a lot:)
just kidding. but it's partly true.
I do realize that by putting my images online I almost give them away for free.
but it is the only way to share them with others.
as long as there is no way to secure data I will have to live with this:)
as long as you don't say it was you who took that picture and don't sell it it can be ok for me.
I mean of course it's not ok, but you just can't fight everyone.
btw, thank you! I am very glad you liked that photo.

it's too easy as you said to copy and print them.
I can't explain you. as a consumer I want to get things cheap, as a photographer I want to make maximum profit.
but I wouldn't have been here if I hadn't got that cheap pirate cd with PS7 half a year ago...

I can't afford any editing software. but I do buy licensed music :)

btw, sometimes when I right-click on images on others sites I get a message: sorry, no copying. can we get the same here on dpc?

Message edited by author 2007-04-12 15:22:36.
 04/12/2007 03:35:55 PM · #29
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
btw, sometimes when I right-click on images on others sites I get a message: sorry, no copying. can we get the same here on dpc?


Check here and here for why that probably will not happen.
 04/12/2007 03:36:58 PM · #30
Great Topic. I personally believe in copyright laws but you can't always regulate technology. My thoughts on,

photos: If I upload my photo here, sell it to a client for unlimited purposes (ie. publishing online, in print or however they want to use it), or give a copy to a friend, I must consider that image no longer mine, but public property because then anyone can download it, scan it, clip it out of something, etc. If someone steals my memory card, hacks my computer, or a client misuses a "limited sell" image (ie. sold for one purpose only), then I would consider that copyright infringement. Copyright or Protection "rules" on websites, like dpc, are legal, but I don't truly feel any immediate protection from them, however if an image was used without my permission while it was under those rules then I would definitely seek remuneration.

cd/dvd: When I buy a CD or a DVD I consider this an unlimited purchase. I do not have an agreement beforehand with the maker to watch or listen only on tuesdays from 9-11pm, I own this cd/dvd. If I go to a friends house and have the cd/dvd in my car and they want to borrow is, how is that any different than downloading online? As kids we all recorded music off the radio, we all made mixed tapes and my mom used to record her soap operas every day, were/are these copyright violations? I personally havent bought dvd's or cd's in a long time however I know they have these warnings not to copy or distribute, I just don't think they have the right to have those limited warnings. Making profit off their media is the only thing I see as wrong, like selling group tickets to watch a movie or copying and selling their media.

Technology has progressed from recording off the radio to downloading off the internet. I just dont see a difference. When they make a product that is able to fit on a pc then its fair game. If they want to control the media that they distribute then they need to make NEW Media Players and NEW Media that will only work together, then see how much money they make. The music and movie industries are huge and a great metaphor for peer sharing is flies flying around a horse, the horse makes the flies from its p**p and they might annoy the horse a little, but its annoyance, not a threat.
04/12/2007 03:41:57 PM · #31
I'm not going to debate the issue, as that's like any other kind of debate.. circular and never-ending. However, just going to report on what I stick to personally:

I download music through P2P for personal listening. If I like a song a lot, I will purchase it. Either on the CD, or individually if I can. I also look around for Creative Commons music. One of my favorite musicians that does this is Jonathan Coulton. You should check him out.. just google his name.

As far as how this relates to my own photography.. I have absolutely no issues with people grabbing my stuff for personal use. Whether they want it for a desktop background, or print it out to hang on their wall, I don't really care. I'd have a problem with people taking it and trying to re-sell it, or claiming it is their own for sure.. but it's not like I do that with music, so I don't see a difference at all.

So no, I have no ethical or moral dilemma when it comes to grabbing music off P2P networks to listen to on a personal level.
 04/12/2007 04:09:47 PM · #32
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
btw, sometimes when I right-click on images on others sites I get a message: sorry, no copying. can we get the same here on dpc?


Check here and here for why that probably will not happen.


oh, thank you Kelly! now I understand.
 04/12/2007 04:33:03 PM · #33
In Holland I pay a special fee/tax on blank CD's and DVD's. That money is distributed among the artists, or so they say. However, 95% of my CD's and DVD's are used for backups, sending files to publishers and personal stuff like that. They are even thinking of adding this tax to hard drives and media players. Most of my harddrives are filled with my own personal stuff. Company documents, photographs etc.

Basically the musicians are stealing from me.

So they should not whine when I steal something back from them.

Photography is different because there is no tax on media that I get my fair share from. There is a tax (in this case only for companies) on the amount of photocopies you make though, to share among writers of newspapers and books. Pure theft, since we never copy books or newspapers at our office and still have to pay. So when I was still studying at the University I felt perfectly ok with buying one book for twenty people and making 20 photocopies of it. Basically we were paying for the book anyway.


04/12/2007 04:41:05 PM · #34
Presumably the fee/tax started because of the spread of illegal music? If that's the case, your "basically.. so they" statements should be reversed.

edit: Well, I guess not really. Because even if the illegal music stuff came first that doesn't have to mean that you, personally, were the one to do it. So yeah, that would still count as stealing from you first.

I am too tired to be logical, and as I have no hugely strong opinions on the matter I think I might be done in this thread... :-)

Message edited by author 2007-04-12 16:45:06.
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