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04/01/2007 01:23:53 AM · #1 |
I'm curious to find who would finally do well or still do well
with a level playing field. I realize that our most talented
photographers gravitate towards having top of the line DSLR's.
And so it's no coincidence that
they garner the most ribbons. So i realize that it's not
just the camera, it's the talent behind the camera.
Still, it would be safe to say that a number of DPC members
haven't entered many challenges because they don't think they
have a chance, due to their limited photography skills AND
their modest camera equipment.
So my suggestion is level the playing field a bit by
having a non DSLR contest. By the way, this contest would still
allow for 6 megapixel cameras to be used. Just not DSLR's.
Let's have our first non DSLR contest. Good chance we'll have
someone happy winning their very first ribbon. Or not.
Or someone we all know may win yet again, perhaps showing
how inconsequential the camera really is for good photography.
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04/01/2007 01:27:57 AM · #2 |
well just recently 3 P&S's ribboned i think last month?
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04/01/2007 01:34:18 AM · #3 |
| I think this is a false supposition. It's not that the cameras make better photographers. It's that the better photographers end up getting DSLRs is all. |
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04/01/2007 01:35:00 AM · #4 |
I vote for the inconsequential thing. I have some pretty decent equipment and my photos still suck.
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04/01/2007 01:35:33 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think this is a false supposition. It's not that the cameras make better photographers. It's that the better photographers end up getting DSLRs is all. |
That was pretty much the first paragraph of the original post. |
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04/01/2007 02:20:39 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think this is a false supposition. It's not that the cameras make better photographers. It's that the better photographers end up getting DSLRs is all. |
That was pretty much the first paragraph of the original post. |
yes, but then he went on belying the fact that he doesn't actually believe the first paragraph. nyeah. :P |
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04/03/2007 11:19:11 PM · #7 |
| I could understand limited megapixel challenges, but it sounds like bullying to not allow a certain type of camera into a challenge. I don't say that because I have DSLRs. I rarely use them at all. I say that because it isn't fair to the people who only have DSLRs. |
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04/03/2007 11:26:20 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Beautiful-Joe:
I could understand limited megapixel challenges, but it sounds like bullying to not allow a certain type of camera into a challenge. I don't say that because I have DSLRs. I rarely use them at all. I say that because it isn't fair to the people who only have DSLRs. |
this may not be directly related to the thread topic, but regarding side-lining certain types of camera, it has happened before. There was a 30-second exposure challenge sometime back, and many compact cameras could not submit because they either dont have manual shutter setting, or their camera could not do 30 seconds exposures. |
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04/03/2007 11:28:04 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by Beautiful-Joe:
I could understand limited megapixel challenges, but it sounds like bullying to not allow a certain type of camera into a challenge. I don't say that because I have DSLRs. I rarely use them at all. I say that because it isn't fair to the people who only have DSLRs. |
this may not be directly related to the thread topic, but regarding side-lining certain types of camera, it has happened before. There was a 30-second exposure challenge sometime back, and many compact cameras could not submit because they either dont have manual shutter setting, or their camera could not do 30 seconds exposures. |
Even my 3 year old 200 dollar 5 mp pos can do 30 seconds, but heh the 300+ dollar Fuji S5000 (very outdated but doesnt matter) can only do 2 seconds max.....
I know the Canon A630 does 15 to 30 depends on the mode. I think in full manual you only get 15 seconds.
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04/04/2007 11:11:04 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by Beautiful-Joe:
I could understand limited megapixel challenges, but it sounds like bullying to not allow a certain type of camera into a challenge. I don't say that because I have DSLRs. I rarely use them at all. I say that because it isn't fair to the people who only have DSLRs. |
this may not be directly related to the thread topic, but regarding side-lining certain types of camera, it has happened before. There was a 30-second exposure challenge sometime back, and many compact cameras could not submit because they either dont have manual shutter setting, or their camera could not do 30 seconds exposures. |
Even my 3 year old 200 dollar 5 mp pos can do 30 seconds, but heh the 300+ dollar Fuji S5000 (very outdated but doesnt matter) can only do 2 seconds max.....
I know the Canon A630 does 15 to 30 depends on the mode. I think in full manual you only get 15 seconds. |
More importantly, not shooting at 30 seconds is not grounds for disqualification - i seem to remember that controversially, many high-scoring images in that contest were not actually shot at anything like 30 seconds. No camera was actually PREVENTED from entering that challenge therefore, although arguably a greater strain was placed on the creativity/integrity of photographers whose equipment wasn't up to the required spec.
It's true that this sort of descrimination exists in some challenges by default, for instance shallow depth of field or bokeh challenges which practically require a DSLR - however, certain challenges such as "street photography" very clearly benefit from the use of smaller point-and-shoot cameras.
Also, everyone makes their own hardware choices regardless of skill - some older semi-pro DSLRs such as the now-vintage Canon D30 or the D60 are available on ebay for the price of a good dinner, and they've produced some of the most memorable images on the entire site. I don't really think there's a desperate lack of balance needing to be redressed.
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04/04/2007 11:30:59 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by riot:
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...More importantly, not shooting at 30 seconds is not grounds for disqualification - i seem to remember that controversially, many high-scoring images in that contest were not actually shot at anything like 30 seconds. . |
I may be wrong, but I do believe that subsequent to that particular fiasco that the SC opted to entrench additional guidelines in the challenge description to deal with such issues, and that failure to adhere to these new criteria would lead to a DQ.
Ray |
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04/04/2007 11:36:09 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by riot:
More importantly, not shooting at 30 seconds is not grounds for disqualification - i seem to remember that controversially, many high-scoring images in that contest were not actually shot at anything like 30 seconds. No camera was actually PREVENTED from entering that challenge therefore, although arguably a greater strain was placed on the creativity/integrity of photographers whose equipment wasn't up to the required spec. |
you might want to re-read the rules on that challenge. It was grounds for DQ if it wasn't 30 seconds. look at the extra rules on the right, HERE |
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04/05/2007 10:34:31 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by riot:
More importantly, not shooting at 30 seconds is not grounds for disqualification - i seem to remember that controversially, many high-scoring images in that contest were not actually shot at anything like 30 seconds. No camera was actually PREVENTED from entering that challenge therefore, although arguably a greater strain was placed on the creativity/integrity of photographers whose equipment wasn't up to the required spec. |
you might want to re-read the rules on that challenge. It was grounds for DQ if it wasn't 30 seconds. look at the extra rules on the right, HERE |
Sorry, my mistake - i was thinking of the 2-second exposure challenge where the blue was won by something not fitting the description. But fewer cameras are incapable of doing 2 seconds than 30, so maybe you have a point...
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04/05/2007 10:59:48 AM · #14 |
Leveling the playing field is a great concept. NASCAR does that and it is wildly popular. Makes for close races with drivers with near equal talents. Very exciting competition.
Photography is different. Photographers do not have near equal talents. There is a wide gulf between the good, the bad and the ugly. The idea behind this suggestion is to give the less equipment gifted phtographers a better chance at glory. They've always had that chance and they can, have and do succeed.
Perhaps it is a good idea after all. It will demonstrate, once again, what has always been true - the best photographers take the best pictures regardless of equipment. Equipment only makes it easier.
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