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07/08/2003 10:08:02 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by basia03:
i agree with kyrielle - if you want feedback you submit your challenge entry, if not - you don't submit it, you just sit by yourself and admire it... besides, at the moment "hm" just acts like shadow's signature... i went there, looked at it, didn't feel like commenting at all, all i thought was "why would anybody want to take a picture like that??? of that??? even look at that??? what kind of feedback you'd be looking for that you don't really see yourself already???" |
I left someone an honest bit of feedback and they sent me a page long email about what an asshole I am. While that may be true, if there was a way to designate between the "Sensitive Artists" and those trying to improve, it would help.
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07/08/2003 10:08:47 AM · #52 |
If there was something that said "Photographer would appreciate negative as well as positive feedback." then people would think it was BAD to give negative comments on other photos, and it would end up in a decrease in comments overall.
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07/08/2003 10:11:57 AM · #53 |
We understand that is AN argument. Repeating it doesn't give it more force.
The point is right now you can't criticize without someone blasting you for your opinion. I don't know which picture is yours (and thus ok to tell you what I think) and which is xxyy's who laid into me on PM/email.
The whole point is if there is something that says photographer would appreciate negative comments, those who didn't check the box DO NOT want negative feedback and thus while there'd be less negative comments on their picture, that's WHAT THEY WANT.
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07/08/2003 10:12:23 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by Konador:
If there was something that said "Photographer would appreciate negative as well as positive feedback." then people would think it was BAD to give negative comments on other photos, and it would end up in a decrease in comments overall. |
People think that already...
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07/08/2003 10:13:12 AM · #55 |
"negative" doesn't mean "rude"... people who submit to challenges here all want all the comments they can get, that's the point of this site... it's the rudeness of the comments that must irk them, not the contents...
Message edited by author 2003-07-08 10:17:15. |
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07/08/2003 10:15:36 AM · #56 |
If all people want is praise then they should just not bother reading the comments.
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07/08/2003 10:19:10 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by Konador:
If all people want is praise then they should just not bother reading the comments. |
..or they could just check a box and save everybody's time by not getting any comments.
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07/08/2003 10:24:48 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by basia03:
"negative" doesn't mean "rude"... people who submit to challenges here all want all the comments they can get, that's the point of this site... it's the rudeness of the comments that must irk them, not the contents... |
The comment I made that got flamed back (this time) was "I don't think your border helps the picture. It doesn't seem to match anything else in the picture."
I got a page email back about what an asshole I am and borders are personal preference and I should vote on the photography, not the border and why did I waste my time commenting if I was only commenting on the border and a whole lot of useless junk.
Now, I can easily just say "this person is an idiot" and continue my life. What I'm saying is I'd rather not be blindsided like that again for making a relatively harmless comment. You never know what's going to set some people off. I've said "did you think taking this photo was a good idea?" and people have marked it helpful. I've said "I dislike the harsh lighting" and gotten an email about how it was the only time of day they could shoot it and how I should understand the limits of people who work FT, etc...WTF.
@Ben - you KNOW there are a whole lot of sensitive artists around here who only want praise. They mark =10 helpful but respond by criticizing those of us who dare say "I would try doing..." or "I don't like..."
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07/08/2003 10:32:15 AM · #59 |
I know there are. I think it should be those people who can check a box which means people can't comment on their photo. I dont think people who want all kinds of feed back should have to identify themselves with markings or whatever. The sensitive people should be able to turn off the comments box, make it an all or nothing thing. Just my opinion.
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07/08/2003 10:57:51 AM · #60 |
I've been surrounded by art and artists most of my life and have come to recognize that artists are far less 'sensitive' about their egos than about the state of the world, the more so the better and commited they are. Their egos, in fact, have been battered so much, they had to develop something I call 'negative capability'.
People who are sensitive about their 'creations' are usually so, because of an understandable insecurity and/or an unhealthy 'attachment' to what they believe is their property or soul. Artists, if then they are, have had to survive and overcome a fair amount of hostilities and resistence, before there could be the kind of humility required to make something equal to nature, that which created their facility in the first place.
To cater to the sensitive ego may do something for the socialite. It does nothing for art.
Message edited by author 2003-07-08 10:59:10.
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07/08/2003 12:51:57 PM · #61 |
mavrik, i didn't mean to say that your comments are/were rude, not at all, and your example proves that... in general, like you said "assume that person is an idiot" and go on... konador is right, since the idea of this site is to learn, most of the people appreciate the feedback, and those who do not either should not enter the challenges, or state (somehow) that they don't want comments... i don't think that anybody would really admit that...
Message edited by author 2003-07-08 12:55:25. |
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07/08/2003 08:02:11 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Martus:
..or they could just check a box and save everybody's time by not getting any comments. |
Hey Martus, this is a pretty neat idea!
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07/08/2003 08:07:02 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I know there are. I think it should be those people who can check a box which means people can't comment on their photo. I dont think people who want all kinds of feed back should have to identify themselves with markings or whatever. The sensitive people should be able to turn off the comments box, make it an all or nothing thing. Just my opinion. |
Same here. I want an honest comment on my shots. I submit for that. Otherwise I would not. I do not see the point of coding things in the title.
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07/08/2003 08:24:45 PM · #64 |
Everyone is different. That is why we have varieties. Like Mavrik, I too, have got some rather "nasty" personal mails from some photographer due to my not-so-candy-sweetened-comment. Not many that it discourages me from leaving negative-ONLY comments, but it still is a pain in the ass sometimes. So before I "hurt" other sensitive-photographers, I just thought the HM idea would work. It is UN-OFFICIAL just a group thing, so why is this getting such blatant debates? You can hate this idea, continue as normal in DPC and ignore the HM tag. But if you like it, then play along. Treat it as a game.
Have you ever had your girlfriend asking, "do I look fat in these?"
We guys should know that it's a trick question where either a Yes or a No would end up in an argument and she being unhappy. LOL!
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