Face Piercing - just a (long-winded) opinion

03/25/2007 03:55:03 AM · #51

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Just throwing this out there as it pertains to the topic.

wow i just looked at that and there are very mixed results. i was reading some of hte employer comments and some employers dont even allow facial hair on men!! and dont allow men to have earrings but girls are allowed, thats totally sexist!

03/25/2007 03:55:10 AM · #52

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Just throwing this out there as it pertains to the topic.

Awesome, Techno!

...although there are some very strange stats there:

Originally posted by vault survey:

Would you be more or less likely to hire someone with concealed tattoos or body piercings?
16.6% More Likely

How could you be more likely to hire someone with concealed tatts or piercings??? I'm assuming you didn't know they had them, but even if you did...

03/25/2007 03:57:47 AM · #53

31.6% of Employers don't know if they have a policy on body piercings?

03/25/2007 03:58:46 AM · #54

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Just throwing this out there as it pertains to the topic.

Awesome, Techno!

...although there are some very strange stats there:
Originally posted by vault survey:
Would you be more or less likely to hire someone with concealed tattoos or body piercings?
16.6% More Likely

How could you be more likely to hire someone with concealed tatts or piercings??? I'm assuming you didn't know they had them, but even if you did...

alot of coffee shops now encourage this look for there employees, umm alternitive clothing stores, body jewelerly shops. umm and mcdonalds...hehe just kidding about mcdonalds!

03/25/2007 03:59:29 AM · #55

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

31.6% of Employers don't know if they have a policy on body piercings?

I'd hate to be one of their employees, the employers dont even know their own policies!

03/25/2007 04:15:25 AM · #56

Originally posted by noisemaker:

alot of coffee shops now encourage this look for there employees, umm alternitive clothing stores, body jewelerly shops. umm and mcdonalds...hehe just kidding about mcdonalds!

yeah, music stores also - but that makes me wonder about the makeup of the survey participants.

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03/25/2007 04:27:00 AM · #57

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
alot of coffee shops now encourage this look for there employees, umm alternitive clothing stores, body jewelerly shops. umm and mcdonalds...hehe just kidding about mcdonalds!

yeah, music stores also - but that makes me wonder about the makeup of the survey participants.

right i forgot music stores!
yeah i wonder where they conducted the survey..(it probably says on the front page but im too lazy to look)

EducatedSavage

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03/25/2007 05:42:49 AM · #58

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

In response to EducatedSavage- I don't know how old you are, but you seem very intelligent and professional and you said you don't feel you've lost opportunities - but I would ask you, at these conferences you have attended where everyone treated you respectfully and professionally, how do you know that someone you met there might have been willing to offer you a dream job and/or high paying position, but your piercings put them off a bit? I'm not saying that they, or anyone, judge what kind of person you are by what you decided to do to your face, but if I was at one of these conferences and was chatting with you and another person with equally impressive experience and qualifications, but sans face metal, and then I got back to the office and found out my VP of Marketing ran off with my receptionist, I may recall my conversations with the two of you from the conference and would more likely call the non-hardware-adorned person and offer her the VP job instead of you (again, all other things being equal). But since you did impress me so much, I think about offering you the receptionist job - but that thought goes right out the window because I don't want your face-bling to be the first thing my clients or potential clients to see when they walk in the door.

Thank you for you kind response, Art - if this weren't the internet, you would have gotten to see me blush! I confess that I haven't any abnormal facial metal of my own, but what I have done is unique enough that I wouldn't mention it on the forums for the sake of some anonymity (though I may rethink this as I might have already blown it). While I may not know the number of recruitment opportunities I might have lost due to my appearance, I am fairly confident that it isn't very high. It is more common for my company to recruit at these conferences than it is for us to be recruited... and I should have made it clear that these are my own company's conferences at which I get to represent them to some extent. On one hand, I have only not been offered 2 jobs after having met my potential employers, which I feel is a decent rate not abnormal for job seekers. On the other hand, I did get pulled off our receptionist's desk for a couple weeks because my supervisor at that time hated the way I look. There must have been some detriment, though, since it only lasted a couple weeks. A shame, since I hate the receptionist's desk (a few promotions later and I only have to do it in crisis).

I wasn't disagreeing with you entirely, though. I think, especially if you plan to look like a freak (I only use 'freak' in a positive), you have to back it up with the appropriate attitude, knowing that you have to overcome some of these prejudices and do it fast, too. At least, if you WANT to get past them. ::chuckles:: It's well and fine to sit back and say they shouldn't be there (and, sure, they shouldn't!) but you have to do your part to make the changes you want in the world, right?

Edited to add (because it wasn't long enough already!) - my partner DOES have the facial metal, though (you can see him in one of my challenge entries), and has fully accepted and plans for when he might need to conceal them, especially since he plans to work with children. He only expects to have to do that while 'paying his dues,' though, and that's still 50/50 odds.

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sabphoto

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03/25/2007 07:29:02 AM · #59

Art I have got to totally agree with you on this. I don't see as much of the facial piercing in my line of work (Navy & Marine Corps) but the tatoos are out of control especially overseas.

The Marines know they aren't supposed to have anything that is below the sleeve when it is rolled up (summer time uniform), so they wait till winter when we put the sleeves down and they go out and get the full arm (full sleeve) tatoo and somehow get away with it. I just cring when I think of how many opportunities this takes from them. The corps (and other services) has many jobs and special positions that you will not get if you have visible tatoos.

I have even seen the "kids" that come in the Marines with SEMPER FI tatooed up and down their arm. What would they have done if something happened and they couldn't complete basic or continue their career?

The military is HUGE right now on a program called Troops to teachers where after you leave the military they will help you become a teacher in your town...but I wonder how many of these guys (and don't forget the girls...yep I've seen them here...ewwww) don't get the job or have to always wear long sleeves to cover it up. I would much rather be confortable with being my own unique person then limit myself either by what cloths I wear or in jobs I can get.

Too bad they can't come out with a tatoo that can be removed without surgery after a couple years.

jonnienye

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03/25/2007 07:59:19 AM · #60

a dying 80 yr old isnt gunna give two sh_ts about his faded tattoos,what,the doctor not gunna treat me when im 80 an dying because of my tats,silliness,its only skin,im 43 one tat,one piercing

RayEthier

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03/25/2007 10:33:47 AM · #61

Originally posted by EducatedSavage:

... He only expects to have to do that while 'paying his dues,' though, and that's still 50/50 odds.

Funny how one little statement can alter one's perspective. I was truly on your side till I read the "paying his dues" portion, as it gives me an impression I am not at all comfortable with.

Perhaps I misread your comments, but as they currently stand, they would seem to suggest that he would be prepared to lead someone astray to achieve his aims.

I must commend you however for your convictions, strength of character and resolve, as it clearly demonstrates that you are not a follower. Good luck to you in future endeavours.

Ray

EducatedSavage

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03/25/2007 06:13:00 PM · #62

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Since my partner wants to council troubled children, he expects he might start out working directly for the government here, since there isn't a lot of privately owned practices. The reality is that the government tends to be overly strict and dogmatic about things. In this situation, he recognizes that he may be asked to conceal it while on the job, but, as far as I understand, he doesn't plan to hide it from his employers. If some more opportunities open up outside of government work, this probably won't be a necessary step. Even then, the government here actually is starting to loosen up as they're facing shortages, so... who knows.

Really, I should say that I'm calling it 50/50 because he thinks he'll have to flip his septum piercing up and I don't think that's the case.

Thanks for you kind comments, though, even if we find some disagreement in this part. Once upon a time, I couldn't have worn pants at work, so I'm a strong believer in 'changing times.' (Ironically, I don't often wear pants to work)

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crayon

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03/26/2007 04:51:08 AM · #63

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

In response to this thread, I'd just like to post my thoughts and opinion on the subject. Keep in mind, this is all based on my experience and may be just a U.S. culture issue, but I believe it to be fairly universal.

i think facial piercing is a serious weakness when you get into street brawls or fights - you can scratch or punch me, but i can easily tear your face apart with your piercings!

DrAchoo

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03/29/2007 12:28:20 PM · #64

Looks like big tats will keep you out of the Marines now...

Marines ban big, garish tattoos

kyebosh

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03/29/2007 12:43:16 PM · #65

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
In response to this thread, I'd just like to post my thoughts and opinion on the subject. Keep in mind, this is all based on my experience and may be just a U.S. culture issue, but I believe it to be fairly universal.

i think facial piercing is a serious weakness when you get into street brawls or fights - you can scratch or punch me, but i can easily tear your face apart with your piercings!

Do people seriously still get into fights? I've never ever been in a fight, and I've never ever seen a fight in public since maybe middle school. I would not consider fighting a factor when considering a piercing.

TechnoShroom

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03/29/2007 12:46:33 PM · #66

Originally posted by kyebosh:

One's bedding is a bigger and more real daily threat.

pawdrix

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03/29/2007 12:58:21 PM · #67

Originally posted by dwterry:

This guy, on the other hand, I think surpassed those "tasteful limits" a long time ago. lol

I nearly ralphed when I saw this. Make it go away...Please!

How would you like a 40 inch print of that hanging on your wall? Woof.

Nightmareville!

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 13:00:19.

kyebosh

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03/29/2007 01:23:24 PM · #68

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Davidson

levyj413

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03/29/2007 02:17:54 PM · #69

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I nearly ralphed when I saw this. Make it go away...Please!

I think it's pretty funny that you quoted the picture only to say how horrible it is. You can edit what's quoted, you know. :)

pawdrix

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03/29/2007 02:41:11 PM · #70

I suppose the words "tasteful limits" and the fact that I had an actual gag reflex to the image is the reason I used the quote. No editing out necessary.

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 14:45:19.

ShaneBlake

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03/29/2007 02:56:47 PM · #71

just throwing more a little more support behind art's original post. he said it exactly right.

and since you said you were a fan of miami ink, art, i'm sure you saw the episode where ami he said he wouldn't do tats that couldn't be covered up because of all the flack he's gotten from the one on his neck...

something to think about...

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 14:57:58.

ShaneBlake

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03/29/2007 02:57:34 PM · #72

quote / edit... eh... what's the difference?
oops...

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 14:58:39.

justamistere

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03/29/2007 03:12:44 PM · #73

Just some thoughts...
From anyone that has a lot of metal piercings or tatoos, I ask just one category of questions.
Have you ever prejudged anyone who doesn't have what you have?
Have you ever stereotyped or prejudged anyone, even the slightest?

I know we shouldn't, but we all do, it may be the self preservation motive in us. Yes there are exceptions, I have found people much different then the image they portrayed.

Personally, I intentionally put on different images at different times, just like the cliche of wearing many hats. But I'm at an age where I've been there and done that, to many things I regret, and some to be proud of.

For anyone growing up, and developing into a versatile adult with virtues, talents, and solid judgments, they should look to some of the "old relics of history" who have been around many fads and wars.
Yes, us parents should induce our offspring to learn to think for themselves. There should be limits, until they live totally, self sufficiently, on their own. Some, want to experiment and learn things the hard way, some don't.

Image/Photo... Any photographer knows how important an image can be!

pawdrix

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03/29/2007 03:33:51 PM · #74

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I wonder if anyone here who says/thinks they are not prejudice, would allow this person to perform major surgery on them. ;)