Multiple light source - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

03/28/2007 12:42:24 AM · #1

Post comment, it is obvious that skill is not voted on in challenges,as from the majority of dark images that were used to create the multiple light effect, but a photo taken in daylight, was barely given a mention for the balance of light used to create the image, and I was told to broaden my way of thinking.
Photographing multiple lights is not what I believe is using multiple light sources to highlight your subject.
But that is IMHO.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

03/28/2007 12:50:10 AM · #2

Originally posted by hywind:

Photographing multiple lights is not what I believe is using multiple light sources to highlight your subject.

True but then again the challenge description didn't mention using multiple light sources to highlight your subject.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

03/28/2007 12:50:11 AM · #3

I have to disagree. I don't think your shot scored less because it was shot in daylight, but because it has several flaws that immediately get the viewer's attention.
The border is distracting from the image
The models closed shoulder and clenched hands give the impression of hiding something
The person is looking away (for no reason we can see) as if ignoring the viewer
The horizon is crooked
The light sources aren't immediately obvious

All of these will harm your score. Most voters want to see the challenge met first, then quality image. Not the other way around. Know what I mean?

trevytrev

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

03/28/2007 12:58:00 AM · #4

I can understand frustration when ones photo does not do as well as one should think, but to imply that skill is not voted on in challanges is an insult to those who rate high. I'm pretty sure by looking at the top photos, that quite a lot of skill went into those photos even the ones that are dark images that you pointed out. Skill isn't just the technical aspect but also the vision to see the final product.

TJinGuy

Nikon Coolpix 2100

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/28/2007 01:06:33 AM · #5

I think MLS can be interpreted in many ways including

- using 2 or more light sources (2 light bulbs)
- using 2 or more types of light (flash + sun)
- using 2 or more colors of light
- using 1 light source and a reflector to give the effect of 2 light sources.
- using 1 light source to light another that is off
- a photo of "multiple light sources a key factor in your composition this week." from the challenge description

Your imagination should be the limit. All those that try to get technical, take the challenge description super literal and then punish the creative entries, should find a new hobby.

03/28/2007 01:09:54 AM · #6

Originally posted by idnic:

The border ok.
the person is doing what the title says's Looking into the sun. That's a reason.
The closed shoulder is the angle the shot was taken at to prevent a Silhouette.
he was holding a set of keys, So!
The horizon is straight, the illusion is created by comming off water to land. has a curve created by the lens and cannot be straightened under Basic rules.
A photo is meant to be looked at, is 2sec, too long.

It does appear WOW still rules the score.

03/28/2007 01:13:23 AM · #7

Originally posted by trevytrev:

Sorry no insult meant to the winners, what I am saying that almost every photo is taken at night or in a dark situation. And when a lighter source is used the light source is not seen.

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

03/28/2007 01:18:16 AM · #8

Originally posted by TJinGuy:

I have entered over 200 challenges and have had every possible reason thrown at the photo's you could think of. and now the interpretation of the challenge, come on how many comments are made about the challenge details on images.

trevytrev

Canon EOS-5D

03/28/2007 01:19:29 AM · #9

It does appear WOW still rules the score.
I would hope so, why would a photo that people stop and say "wow" not win over one that people say "hm". Thats what humans gravitate to, things that grab thier attention.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

03/28/2007 01:39:33 AM · #10

Originally posted by trevytrev:

This can be a false way of looking at images, and why when you look through the results you see many underrated photo's.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

03/28/2007 02:02:54 AM · #11

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by trevytrev:
It does appear WOW still rules the score.
I would hope so, why would a photo that people stop and say "wow" not win over one that people say "hm". Thats what humans gravitate to, things that grab thier attention.

This can be a false way of looking at images, and why when you look through the results you see many underrated photo's.

There will always be underrated photos. My suggestion is, and always has been.. instead of complaining/scratching your head/mourning/etc, your own shot and its placement.. start a thread pointing out the underrated photos that you see.. that you like, and asking people to do the same. These threads are usually popular when they are done.

The only thing I don't like about most of them is that only the photos are posted. A much better idea is to post a couple with a detailed explanation on why *you* believe they deserved better treatment, a second glance, or more consideration.

Be pro-active. WOW is the ribbon thing here.. but ribbons don't mean a hell of a lot when you look deep enough into the art form. They are a week of fame, and then they fade. Far more photographs that have never won ribbons or have been buried down in the challenges somewhat become community loved photographs on their own merits.. because someone took the time to make a passionate plea on their behalf.

And remember.. When a photographer makes that plea for his *own* photo, it's most likely going to be regarded as a bit of self-interest, and tossed aside by the mind set.. We all have our own passions for our own work. It's when a work or works are passionately presented to the masses that were initially overworked by someone that didn't take the photograph... that people will sometimes sit up and take notice.

Find those images that speak to *you* if you are tired of the WOW. Find them, tell us why you love them, and show them to the world.

dewdodesign

Nikon D850

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

03/28/2007 02:04:19 AM · #12

Brian,

My first challenge comment came from you and, in my opinion, you very rudely gave it a DNMC without explaining the reason behind your vote, it was only after I made a comment that you decided to go back and add an additional comment.

Now it's my turn. Your photograph = DNMC
In my opinion with the amount of light that was generated by the sun, there was no need to use a flash to avoid the silhouette effect, in fact I think it's a bit of a cop out.
But that is just IMO.

03/28/2007 02:59:33 AM · #13

Originally posted by dewdodesign:

The sun is only on the front of the subject, and as we all know when the light source is forward of the camera a silhouette is created.
The flash was used to balance the light evenly over the whole subject to meet the challenge details.

And fair Enough if you believe it did not meet the challenge during voting, why did you not say so then, it is easy after the results.

idp

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

03/28/2007 03:03:11 AM · #14

Since my image (9th place - hey look at me)

fits the description of the images complained about can I point out that I entered it because the boy is illuminated by the streetlights and the reflected light from the wave, while the wave is illuminated by the massed ranks of car headlights which are visible on the right (which is why I left them in although it makes it look quite cluttered). The second wave is illuminated by more car headlights further off.

While no great skill was required the picture was taken in strong wind and driving sleet, handheld at 0.8 secs with me laid on top of the camera on a waste paper bin to keep it steady, my jacket blown up over my head, the sleet hitting my back and running down the back of my trousers using the natural channel facility and people driving by in cars with the windows down shouting 'hey fat boy put your arse away'.

I think both the other night shots in the top 10 also fit the challenge well because they do not just show multiple lights but effects generated by the interplay of multiple lights.