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03/14/2007 05:18:05 AM · #1 |
| rumours leaked regarding the new sony sensor for their mid-range dSLR, and the same sensor will be available to nikon, pentax. it should be on the A10 model, with crop factor of 1.25x, and the FF version on the A1 pro body. |
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03/14/2007 07:55:40 AM · #2 |
| Hopefully Nikon will not use it and stick with DX (1.5x) sensors. However I wouldn't mind another CMOS sensored Nikon, but just DX sized. |
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03/14/2007 08:30:27 AM · #3 |
I really look forward to a 5D like body from Nikon. It might take some time before they get there, but it is the reason why I stopped buying DX lenses and will only consider the standard lenses in the future.
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03/14/2007 12:17:16 PM · #4 |
| point is - nikon's going FF pretty soon! |
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03/14/2007 12:43:03 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by crayon:
point is - nikon's going FF pretty soon! |
1 - One can only hope
2 - Atleast 8 of Sigma's DC for Digital lense will vignette on a full frame.
3 - Just because its CMOS doesnt mean it will be full frame. Not all CMOS Canon SLR's are. And they could make a full frame CCD. Kodak did it in 1995 at 6 MP.
Im not sure if the elnse vignetting issue (some of you will appreciate it but not for everday photo's) is whats holding them back. The lens systems slowly made the switch to lense's designed for APS-C sensor making the lens lighter and smaller. Switching back is costly. Tehres plenty of full frame / 35mm lenses avaliable and many people still own them.
It is possibly highly desirable on the pro end? I honestly stopped caring about a week ago but always wondered when!
Message edited by author 2007-03-14 12:44:17. |
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03/14/2007 12:59:59 PM · #6 |
My personal view is that Nikon cannot, from a marketing perspective, let Canon continue to be the lone wolf in the FF forest. They *must* respond, and they are delinquent in doing so. I believe that Nikon truly thought that FF sensors would be a niche market, and that APS-C would prove to be where the action is at. They greatly underestimated demand for the larger format, IMO. Their lack of in-house sensor manufacturing also put them at the mercy of their partners' development timelines.
Nonetheless, when they do respond, I expect it to be a formidable machine. Nikon is a tough competitor. |
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03/14/2007 01:16:38 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
They *must* respond, and they are delinquent in doing so. I believe that Nikon truly thought that FF sensors would be a niche market |
I agree.
That would be my one complaint about Nikon....that they follow the market instead of lead it, like Canon.
The 18-200mm VR has been released for months and they barely keep up with production. Really on their heels at times. |
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03/14/2007 01:18:26 PM · #8 |
I hope Nikon stubborn streak holds out until a) DX sized sensors reach the level of noise and ISO performance of say the 5D is today (two years tops) b.) those who really actually need the benefits of a really large sensor goes to the highly rebounding medium format digital market or large format with a digital back and c) lens manufacturers expand their DX sized lens lines in the wide arena and thus eliminating the only true advantage of 35mm sized sensors.
Kirbic is right that Nikon is probably going to heed to market forces and release a 35mm sized sensor. The ironic part is that it will probably hit the market about the time current sensor technology will make them completely unnecessary.
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03/14/2007 01:36:55 PM · #9 |
I don't think it's correct to say that availability of wide lenses is the only advantage of FF over crop sensors.
The fact is that FF sensors have around 2.5x the area of the crop sensors and this means the ultimate image quality available is always going to be noticeably better. There are physical limits (e.g. diffraction) to how small photosites can get, and with 8MP crop sensors already hitting diffraction effects at f/11 I don't see how much further they can be pushed.
Similarly high-ISO performance is a function of photosite size - bigger photosites are always going to work better at high sensitivities. There is scope for improvement here by improving sensor efficiency but FF is always going to have a lead.
I doubt there will ever be a 1.5/1.6X crop sensor capable of producing images up to the standard of the 1Ds Mk II or maybe even the 5D. For apertures of f/11 or smaller it's physically impossible.
And since FF 35mm format cameras are always going to be significantly cheaper than medium format digitals I don't see the demand going away any time soon...
splidge
Message edited by author 2007-03-14 13:44:07. |
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03/14/2007 01:51:36 PM · #10 |
I agree completely with splidge. If you think about formats and markets, it's interesting to note that the difference in sensor area between APS-C and 35mm is 2.25 (Nikon) to 2.5x (Canon) and the next step is MF with roughly 36x48mm sensors, which is another 2x jump in sensor area over 35mm. A larger sensor is absolutely required to make use of increased pixel counts in a truly meaningful way. The limit for 35mm is probably 22-24MPx. Beyond that is the realm of MF sensors.
I believe that the future is secure for APS-C, 35mm and MF formats.
Message edited by author 2007-03-14 13:52:43. |
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03/14/2007 02:21:08 PM · #11 |
We won't see an APS-H sensor (1.25) in a Pentax until next year at least. I think theyd be shooting themselves in the foot if they threw a large sensor camera out there before the release of their medium format, if they do at all. It's pretty clear to me from the direction that Pentax is going with lens design that they're sold on APS-C and will be sticking with it for a while, and having their pro model be the MF 645D.
That said, I've seen sample images of all the Pentax DA lenses on film, and anything above ~24mm seems to work fine. Also, all of the new DA* lenses are designed for the APS-H image circle. Apparently its to take advantage of the "sweet spot," but it could just as well be a sign of the future...
Bottom line: don't stop buying film lenses! They still work great and theres way less risk. |
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05/17/2007 09:49:53 AM · #12 |
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05/17/2007 11:18:58 AM · #13 |
| Now, if Nikon only introduced interchangeable APS-C/FF digital backs for the D3x, they might take the lead for oh, 6 months or so. |
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05/17/2007 11:34:01 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by crayon:
rumours leaked regarding the new sony sensor for their mid-range dSLR, and the same sensor will be available to nikon, pentax. it should be on the A10 model, with crop factor of 1.25x, and the FF version on the A1 pro body. |
Here's some info on what I've read lately ==> Will Sony DSLR offer a full frame sensor in 2007? |
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05/17/2007 01:08:33 PM · #15 |
I suppose just biting the bullet and getting a Hassleblad H3D-31 is out of the question, then? Joking, honest :-)
While content with my DX Nikon I can see the need for FF and higher and appreciate why this is such a good idea. This thread has also taught me some stuff, too.
I just wonder if the cost differential of a FF versus an APS-C will ever be such that a reasonably serious amateur like me will ever be able to justify it. For sure, prices in real terms are coming down but is there a future here for a technology-driven different direction rather than just a pure sensor form factor argument? Will the Foveon ever move outside Sigma and replace the current Bayer colour filtering?
Just a thought... |
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