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03/07/2007 06:55:41 AM · #26 |
I'm in luck! Its going to snow here today. Snow makes for excellent 'grain.'
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03/07/2007 11:13:09 AM · #27 |
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03/07/2007 11:13:40 AM · #28 |
Found this old thread from after the last challenge, explaining how various entrants added noise to their image. Split between old fashioned (bump ISO, low light) and new-fangled (Photoshop) techniques.
Anyone get an answer from SC yet on whether noise can be added post-processing in basic? Rules quoted above seem ambiguous on the point ... and that's never a good thing! |
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03/07/2007 12:22:24 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
Found this old thread from after the last challenge, explaining how various entrants added noise to their image. Split between old fashioned (bump ISO, low light) and new-fangled (Photoshop) techniques.
Anyone get an answer from SC yet on whether noise can be added post-processing in basic? Rules quoted above seem ambiguous on the point ... and that's never a good thing! |
Worth noting that the last grain challenge was under the advanced rules, and not basic. |
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03/07/2007 12:31:56 PM · #30 |
It's in the Basic Rules (emphasis added):
You May ...
use filters or stand-alone utilities designed to preserve image integrity (such as Neat Image, Unsharp Mask, Dust & Scratches, and color correction tools). These filters must be applied uniformly to the entire image, and must not be used in such a way that their use becomes a feature. No “effects” filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur. |
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03/07/2007 12:40:08 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
No “effects” filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur. |
OK, I get that you cannot use a "grain" or "film" type filter to add noise to your image. The question that seems to be raised by this thread is whether you can use the Noise filter to add (rather than reduce) the amount of noise in your image. |
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03/07/2007 12:42:42 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
No “effects” filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur. |
OK, I get that you cannot use a "grain" or "film" type filter to add noise to your image. The question that seems to be raised by this thread is whether you can use the Noise filter to add (rather than reduce) the amount of noise in your image. |
Yes, the rule basically says that you can use Noise, Gaussian Blur (or equivalent), and the various Sharpen/Unsharp Mask filters, as long as you apply them to the whole image without making any selections. |
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03/07/2007 12:44:23 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by tnun:
Should be a third open challenge, for photos that meet the first two. I'm always conflicted about which to enter. Cross-dressing with grain would be great. |
I donno... cross-dressing really runs against my grain, if you catch my drift? ;-)
R. |
Can't get yourself to shave those legs, huh?
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03/07/2007 12:51:45 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
No “effects” filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur. |
OK, I get that you cannot use a "grain" or "film" type filter to add noise to your image. The question that seems to be raised by this thread is whether you can use the Noise filter to add (rather than reduce) the amount of noise in your image. |
Yes, the rule basically says that you can use Noise, Gaussian Blur (or equivalent), and the various Sharpen/Unsharp Mask filters, as long as you apply them to the whole image without making any selections. |
Just to play the devil's advocate, does to rule state specifically "You can only use the filter "Filter>Noise>Add Noise" found in Photoshop" (in which case all people not using photoshop would be out of luck) or does it say "You can use filters which add noise" (in which case non-photoshop users would be ok, but would also open up possibilities like "Artistic>Film Grain"?
I'll go by whatever SC says, but personally I'd say look for a super low scoring challenge if we are limited purely to "add noise".
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03/07/2007 12:52:36 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by asimchoudhri:
hey... maybe  whiterook will ribbon |
Not if i can help it... or atleast he ribbons and I brown lmao. |
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03/07/2007 01:02:22 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'll go by whatever SC says, but personally I'd say look for a super low scoring challenge if we are limited purely to "add noise". |
I don't plan to use any noise filter at all. |
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03/07/2007 01:05:38 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by yanko:
PM an SC if you want to be sure but it seems pretty darn obvious to me that it's allowed. |
I've put a general request into SC to get a definitive answer on this - we'll see what they say. I don't care one way or the other, so long as there's clear decision :)
Cheers
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03/07/2007 01:08:33 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'll go by whatever SC says, but personally I'd say look for a super low scoring challenge if we are limited purely to "add noise". |
Well check out these two photos taken at ISO 400 with no other lighting then the flame. At the full size they show a natural grain versus chroma noise. But its really just dark sensor noise.
WARNING: Those of you using CRT (Tube) Moniters especially if its not calibrated may not see the grain but I can definatly see it on an LCD.
 
Post any comments u have while ur at it.
But the Grain and or Noise came straight from the camera and i think adds character to it at full size not as well at the smaller size but at home (versus this CRT at work) it shows real well and on print.
Message edited by author 2007-03-07 13:12:16. |
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03/07/2007 01:24:13 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'll go by whatever SC says, but personally I'd say look for a super low scoring challenge if we are limited purely to "add noise". |
I don't plan to use any noise filter at all. |
Well, get ready to be welcomed to Foursville...population: you. ;)
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03/07/2007 01:29:35 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'll go by whatever SC says, but personally I'd say look for a super low scoring challenge if we are limited purely to "add noise". |
I don't plan to use any noise filter at all. |
Well, get ready to be welcomed to Foursville...population: you. ;) |
You said it!
I may try some other "tricks" though -- I might drive it all the way into three territory ... |
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03/07/2007 01:32:33 PM · #41 |
Got a Stupid Question.
Add noise tends to be color, maybe it has a monochrome option i forget and cant check at the moment.
Saying it doesnt it is it legal to create a seperate layer add the noise and desaturate that layer in order to make it black and white then flatten the layer? |
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03/07/2007 01:33:05 PM · #42 |
Could I appeal to possibly avoid all this rules mess and have a little flaggy thing stating that "all filters which add noise or texture are allowed for this challenge"?
I'm basically begging for this because a) I loved the first Image Grain challenge and b) I am highly disappointed by the constraints the basic editing would put on the challenge.
Digital noise is not pretty. People don't go pick digital cameras so they can utilize the noise aspect. Noise is evil. End of story. Film grain, on the other hand, can be utilized to artistic effect. While it isn't everybody's cup of tea, there are definitely photographers who specifically pick certain films for their grain characteristics.
The bottom line is it may be better to save the challenge by adding a flag rather than setting possibly dangerous precidents for filter use in basic.
Please save my challenge! (I've copied this to Langdon)
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03/07/2007 01:40:29 PM · #43 |
Sharpening was the thing for me... wicked graining... anyway I know I tried the grain film thing [unremarkable results] and now I can't remember if went back a step or proceeded like an oblivious idiot... I don't have any time to redo the pic... :S Really shouldn't have bragged abt having no dqs...
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03/07/2007 01:41:02 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
"all filters which add noise or texture are allowed for this challenge" |
noise or grain: OK. Textures? No way, please!
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03/07/2007 01:43:30 PM · #45 |
nvm
Message edited by author 2007-03-07 13:44:42. |
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03/07/2007 01:44:50 PM · #46 |
| Give us time to talk about it, OK? |
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03/07/2007 01:53:04 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Give us time to talk about it, OK? |
No prob. I'll be back in 5 minutes. :) (Kidding, of course)
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03/07/2007 02:07:29 PM · #48 |
| this is unfair:) to make two perfect challenges open and make me choose. it is also very sad to make them both under the basic rules:( |
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03/07/2007 02:09:07 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
this is unfair:) to make two perfect challenges open and make me choose. it is also very sad to make them both under the basic rules:( |
Two perfect challenges? Look just becasue you like seeing crossdressers.... lol anyways im kidding but nothing there i want to see.
Now if i can build a Dresser in the shape of a cross by the deadline. |
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03/07/2007 02:31:42 PM · #50 |
carnevale! carnevale! il volo dell'angelo!
that's what I like:) masks. think differently. :) |
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