Hate titles, not photos - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

02/22/2007 01:19:39 PM · #1

I thought the idea was to show hate with the photograph, not the title. I 've voted at all the images and the ones that meet this requirement can be counted in one hand. Sorry people, but don't be surprised by your scores. You get what you deserve. I understand it's a difficult subject, but if you can't think of anything better, don't enter.

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

02/22/2007 01:37:43 PM · #2

The challenge description says nothing about 'showing' hate without benefit of a title. Hate, although extreme, is still an abstract concept. And often very subjective. I thank the people who have attempted to interpret this abstract concept in a creative way. I don't begrudge the use of titles to help communicate what may not be a common idea of 'hate'. And may the smug and unyielding get hit with the karmic boomerangs they deserve.

jdfido

Nikon D70s

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

02/22/2007 01:48:12 PM · #3

Whenever I look at paitings with titles I don't always agree with what the artist is trying to convey. Sometimes the title fits perfectly with what I am seeing, other times I come up with my own title after viewing a piece. But, to me it doesn't make any sense to disagree with the artist feelings, because I don't know what he/she was feeling when the image was created.

It is nice to have the title match MY feelings but sometimes it just doesn't connect that way. No reason to hold that against the person expressing themselves.

Edit: I also got a different message from the title of this thread than you intended.

Message edited by author 2007-02-22 13:55:31.

TCGuru

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/22/2007 01:49:40 PM · #4

Originally posted by skewsme:

The challenge description says nothing about 'showing' hate without benefit of a title. Hate, although extreme, is still an abstract concept. And often very subjective. I thank the people who have attempted to interpret this abstract concept in a creative way. I don't begrudge the use of titles to help communicate what may not be a common idea of 'hate'. And may the smug and unyielding get hit with the karmic boomerangs they deserve.

amen!

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/22/2007 02:31:18 PM · #5

I'm sorry, but shoehorning a photo to fit the challenge by means of a title is not in the spirit of DPC IMO... or photography in general.

As a test, hide the title and see how much the photos meet the challenge.

Unless it's Digital Photography Captioning nowdays...

Message edited by author 2007-02-22 14:34:16.

fotomann_forever

02/22/2007 02:45:17 PM · #6

I wouldn't worry about it too much, there are a large number of weak photos in that challenge. It was a hard challenge and likely will be a lower average scoring one.

Shoehorns likely won't finish toward the top either, so just let it go.

*I'm not entered into a challenge this week, so not defending my entry.

Elvis_L

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

02/22/2007 03:24:56 PM · #7

from the looks of it you give very bad scores anyway so why make a thread putting everydown. You give an avg of 3.6 and out of over 600 votes have made a total of 3 comments that gave anything remotely critical. If you feel that images are not good then tell people why. That is what the spirit of DPC is IMO. If you think that too many people shoehorned in this challenge then that is your right and you can vote however you want but if you don't tell them how in the hell are they gonna know next time.

Message edited by author 2007-02-22 15:26:48.

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

02/22/2007 03:27:21 PM · #8

Originally posted by hsolakidis:

I'm sorry, but shoehorning a photo to fit the challenge by means of a title is not in the spirit of DPC IMO... or photography in general.

The concept of shoehorn is not relevant to 'photography in general'.

That there are shoehorns in these challenges is actually evidence that people enter for sake of photography, to have their photo be seen, despite it not fitting as a perfectly literal answer to the challenge.

Originally posted by hsolakidis:

As a test, hide the title and see how much the photos meet the challenge.

Unless it's Digital Photography Captioning nowdays...

Why can't you embrace images without shunning words? Title-only has never carried an entry. Title-only has never carried art. But a little synergy between image and title makes voting so much more pleasant, for some of us anyway. Without a little help from titles, entries would have to be so narrow and literal... just so that the viewer could grasp their relevance and avoid ridiculous DNMC comments. Oh, the challenge is an emotion? 200 photos of different people making the same face.

My guess is that your 'literal' entry for this abstract challenge isn't doing too well either, else you wouldn't bother sharing the hate. Or at least I hope you have that excuse.

irisheyes

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

02/22/2007 03:36:53 PM · #9

Sorry people, but don't be surprised by your scores. You get what you deserve. I understand it's a difficult subject, but if you can't think of anything better, don't enter.

Well I did enter.. and this is my first challenge and my scores and my title might not be up to your par, but I am here to learn from intelligent people who enjoy this craft... the next challenge that i enter i will run it by you first!!!!

kleffman

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

Olympus 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 Zuiko Digital ED

02/22/2007 03:41:32 PM · #10

This is the same in the Love challenge. Since when is "Love" just hearts, roses, pink, kissing and hugging? Maybe your true "love" is your hobby, your passion, or your work (well, maybe not your work :)).

And yeah, I have an entry that doesn't meet the literal sense of the challenge. It isn't doing too well, which is what I expected. Even as a photograph it isn't top 10 material because the lighting is no good, nor the composition. However, to me it's love. Please, vote it down for it's photographic qualities and not its lack of romance and sunsets.

splidge

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

02/22/2007 04:02:08 PM · #11

I didn't try and shoehorn mine with the title but most commenters don't seem to get it either; I think many are not familiar with the object depicted in the image.

And my score is pretty awful...

To be fair I knew this would happen when I entered so it doesn't bother me too much.

splidge

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/22/2007 04:05:44 PM · #12

Some photographers conjure up a nice charge via a title leaving the image itself in the dust.
Others enter an amazing image with a lousy title.
There are those who can't do either very well, and those
whose presentation is seamless.

If something's wrotten, it gets torn down.
If no weather can shake it, it's either solid work or a well-concealed imitation.

Message edited by author 2007-02-22 16:06:13.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/22/2007 04:06:06 PM · #13

from the looks of it you give very bad scores anyway so why make a thread putting everydown. You give an avg of 3.6 and out of over 600 votes have made a total of 3 comments that gave anything remotely critical.

I just tend to vote in the 1-4 and 7-10 range. Is that a problem? As for comments, don't care much for them that's why I don't leave many. I'd rather see the winners' photos and learn than read about my mistakes. A picture is worth 1000 words, no? :-)

My guess is that your 'literal' entry for this abstract challenge isn't doing too well either, else you wouldn't bother sharing the hate. Or at least I hope you have that excuse.

I'm not sharing the hate, I 'm just sharing my opinion. It's your post that sound bitter. And my entry is doing very well, thank you (by my standards, anyway).

neophyte

Nikon D810

02/22/2007 04:14:57 PM · #14

I won't take any offense. I believe mine is direct enough and like to think it's the photo's technical merits that are responsible for my disappointing results. I can't always understand what the photographer is saying but the voters don't always understand mine. I alway reserve the right to vote how the photo affects me. I know that this is a foriegn concept on this site (giving the photo the vote that I think it deserves and not what the photographer or the DPC community thinks it deserves) but in the end, I have only 1 vote per photo and it is what it is.

Puckzzz

Pentax K10D

Pentax FA 28-80mm 3.5-5.6 AF - Silver

02/22/2007 04:21:43 PM · #15

Originally posted by hsolakidis:

I agree with you. As i said in the scores thread. I could also have taken a photo of any subject in my near area and give it a title "I hate..."

I'm in this challenge. I really tried to express hate, and for the 3 comments I got, they got it and thought it very dramatic. hate IS a dramatic emotion. I gave my entry a lot of thought, and there's definately a message behind it. Unfortunately the voting public may find it too confronting or not humorous enough (they allways do well) and my scores show it. it was rather evident to me that the 'american voters' (which I call the 'nightshift' cause I live in Europe)are more drawn to the humorous or sweet photo's and try to not see the confronting ones. I'll be the first to admit that lighting or composition etc. could've been better, but technicality seems to take a backseat in this challenge.

edit to add: my photo is intentionally not pretty!

Message edited by author 2007-02-22 16:23:42.

SaraR

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

02/22/2007 04:35:27 PM · #16

Originally posted by splidge:

Splidge - are you in the UK? If so, I think I have an idea which is yours...

jdannels

Nikon D300s

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

02/22/2007 04:35:40 PM · #17

Originally posted by hsolakidis:

Sorry people, but don't be surprised by your scores. You get what you deserve.

Voters would be less surprised if you told them why you voted them low, without telling them they won't know. so how are you helping those shoehorners you speak of stop shoehorning? If you don't tell them it won't stop and you will continue to be annoyed. the reason most people enter challenges is for the comments and critique, telling them its a shoehorned title and your voting them low for it will help make challenge entries overall better. they may complain to you via PM, but they listen and will try and better their future challenge entries.

02/22/2007 04:38:46 PM · #18

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