Hypothetical question ... - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

02/07/2007 02:27:44 PM · #1

Let's say the challenge topic is "Best of 2002" ala last April 1st.
Then lets say I set the date back on my D70 and take a picture of a person holding the newspaper that says 2006 and the cover mentions something like "the Iraq war". I use this as my image.

Does it get a DQ?

My understanding is that this would meet the requirements of a legal photogrpah even though it is obviously not. I ask this partly because I just feel like hearing some feedback to know I exist and also to question the rules in general. Then again, it doesn't say that ONLY EXIF data is used â�¦ so maybe the site counsel would determine the DQ using their judgement.

However, assume another scenerio: Let's say I have 2 witnesses (DPC members) that say they saw me shoot as image at the allowed time and date on a more 'current' challenge. Addtionally, let's say The topic was so specific that it would be odd to shoot an image like that exactly a year before (I'm referring to the batttery challenge a few weeks back, of course -- see my DQ :P) ... I was DQ'd without question for EXIF data and wasn't given an opportunity otherwise - so the question is:

Is it EXIF data only? or can other factors override an image's legitimacy?

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

02/07/2007 02:29:29 PM · #2

Other information besides the date has been used in the past to DQ an image.

chimericvisions

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

02/07/2007 02:29:42 PM · #3

Of course it gets a DQ.

One of the checkboxes you set during submission is "Yes, this photograph was taken with a digital camera on or between Feb 5 2007 and Feb 11 2007." (For example.)

Anything that proves that wrong is DQ.

ETA: The EXIF data being out of range, even if the photo was actually taken during the right time period is DQable. There are reasons that the site mentions all over the place to check your camera's time before submission. Many people are DQed for EXIF violations simply because they changed their battery and the time got reset, or what-have-you, but there is ample warning and constant reminder. To my knowledge, testimony by another person means absolutely zilch in terms of SC's date verification checklist.

Message edited by author 2007-02-07 14:34:36.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/07/2007 02:41:41 PM · #4

OK - let's say there is nothing in the image that indicates the time period. But the EXIF says I used a camera that was released 1 year after I said the image was taken - however the EXIF data date is correct for the challenge.

Message edited by author 2007-02-07 14:42:07.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/07/2007 02:44:07 PM · #5

Originally posted by metatate:

Then we will know you cheated and you could be suspended or banned.

02/07/2007 02:47:37 PM · #6

NOW THat's what I'm talkin' about!

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by metatate:
OK - let's say there is nothing in the image that indicates the time period. But the EXIF says I used a camera that was released 1 year after I said the image was taken - however the EXIF data date is correct for the challenge.

Then we will know you cheated and you could be suspended or banned.

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

02/07/2007 04:10:48 PM · #7

OK - one more.
Apparently it's easy to know how to DQ.

But let's say I took an image and submitted it during the challenge time period - just a normal challenge -let's say "nude". My nude is holding the NY times and the date is obvious that it is the same date the image was taken.
But ... oops, my EXIF was a year behind. C'mon! ;P

I realize I'm annoying but i have my moods

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

02/07/2007 04:12:44 PM · #8

Plenty of images have been DQ'd for having their camera date set wrong.

CEJ

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

02/07/2007 04:13:40 PM · #9

Seeing as how you can buy fake papers these days...although it would be hard to predict the headlines, but think of the good you could do if you could..

02/07/2007 04:17:11 PM · #10

yes. mine is one of them. the point is that you are guilty until proven innocent by the EXIF data ... unless there is other "proof" like impossibility ... in which case the EXIF data is over-ridden by the impossibilty of say, hav ing a camera that didn't exist at the time ... but the impossiblity doesn't go the other way ... it never reverses the DQ. Am I making sense? If I have the NY times from the day I took the picture in the picture than it should reverse a DQ that the EXIF was 1 year old.

YEs, I'm trying to be anoying.