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01/30/2007 09:45:25 PM · #26 |
It doesn't! I does try to give you a fancy way to view them though!
Originally posted by boomtap:
"It starts with a breakthrough design that makes your PC easier to use every day. With Windows Aero, you'll experience dynamic reflections, smooth gliding animations, transparent glass-like menu bars, and the ability to switch between your open windows in a new three-dimensional layout."
Can somebody translate this for me. If I am reading it right, I am paying $400 for shinny gliding animations and transparent menu bars and the ability to switch between your open windows!
How does this help me edit my photos? |
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01/30/2007 09:52:44 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
"It starts with a breakthrough design that makes your PC easier to use every day. With Windows Aero, you'll experience dynamic reflections, smooth gliding animations, transparent glass-like menu bars, and the ability to switch between your open windows in a new three-dimensional layout."
Can somebody translate this for me. If I am reading it right, I am paying $400 for shinny gliding animations and transparent menu bars and the ability to switch between your open windows!
How does this help me edit my photos? |
Yeesh.. how many threads... grumble grumble... It's not just a pretty interface (a really pretty interface). Features new to Windows Vista. |
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01/30/2007 09:53:36 PM · #28 |
Another quote - "Windows Vista Home Premium also helps keep your personal information, your PC, and your family computing experience safer than in previous versions of Windows. For example, Windows Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista includes automated defenses against malicious software and fraudulent websites so you can use your PC online with greater confidence."
Translated - You get IE7 with a bunch of built in garbage that will slow your computer to a grinding halt.
"Whether you're balancing your checkbook, studying for school on your mobile PC, watching a downloaded or recorded movie at home, or sharing your favorite photos with friends on a custom DVD, the experience is much better on a PC running Windows Vista Home Premium."
Translated - You need a top of the line machine with 2 gig of ram and the top operating system to balance your checkbook, write a report for school or watch a movie. Even though computers built in 1994 could do this, it is much shinnier on a PC running Windows Vista Home Premium! |
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01/30/2007 09:57:38 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
Another quote - "Windows Vista Home Premium also helps keep your personal information, your PC, and your family computing experience safer than in previous versions of Windows. For example, Windows Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista includes automated defenses against malicious software and fraudulent websites so you can use your PC online with greater confidence."
Translated - You get IE7 with a bunch of built in garbage that will slow your computer to a grinding halt.
"Whether you're balancing your checkbook, studying for school on your mobile PC, watching a downloaded or recorded movie at home, or sharing your favorite photos with friends on a custom DVD, the experience is much better on a PC running Windows Vista Home Premium."
Translated - You need a top of the line machine with 2 gig of ram and the top operating system to balance your checkbook, write a report for school or watch a movie. Even though computers built in 1994 could do this, it is much shinnier on a PC running Windows Vista Home Premium! |
C'mon. You actually believe what you're saying? You really, truly believe that the entire development effort for Vista over the past five years has been for absolutely nothing, with no improvements at all, and with zero benefit to any end user, and for the sole purpose of.... what exactly? At least give the impression of impartial objectivity, would ya? |
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01/30/2007 09:58:50 PM · #30 |
They are making a lot of noise over the interface, which honestly is quite nice. But it's what's under the hood that counts.
In our session, the OS ran very smoothly; as a matter of fact, I was impressed that, running on a laptop, it was extremely quick, especially given the amount of graphics rendering it was doing. Laptops are not known for flat-out GPU performance, LOL.
The audience did get a chuckle when IE7 crashed hard once. The presenter had about six different pages open, scrolling through them in the 3-D view, with at least two running video simultaneously... and poof! They were gone.
To the OS's credit, it never skipped a beat, just reported the application error. The rest of the session, the audience gave the presenter non-so-gentle jabs to the effect of "so will it work with FireFox??" |
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01/30/2007 10:00:24 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by boomtap:
Another quote - "Windows Vista Home Premium also helps keep your personal information, your PC, and your family computing experience safer than in previous versions of Windows. For example, Windows Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista includes automated defenses against malicious software and fraudulent websites so you can use your PC online with greater confidence."
Translated - You get IE7 with a bunch of built in garbage that will slow your computer to a grinding halt.
"Whether you're balancing your checkbook, studying for school on your mobile PC, watching a downloaded or recorded movie at home, or sharing your favorite photos with friends on a custom DVD, the experience is much better on a PC running Windows Vista Home Premium."
Translated - You need a top of the line machine with 2 gig of ram and the top operating system to balance your checkbook, write a report for school or watch a movie. Even though computers built in 1994 could do this, it is much shinnier on a PC running Windows Vista Home Premium! |
C'mon. You actually believe what you're saying? You really, truly believe that the entire development effort for Vista over the past five years has been for absolutely nothing, with no improvements at all, and with zero benefit to any end user, and for the sole purpose of.... what exactly? At least give the impression of impartial objectivity, would ya? |
Actually, for what it's worth, that's about what I believe. It looks to me like Vista stole the little menu bar from Apple, added a bunch of glitz, and generally made the software so massive that ONLY top-of-the-line machines can run it well. And the benefit is...honestly, I'm still trying to figure that out, myself.
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01/30/2007 10:01:38 PM · #32 |
Well, I'm ready for some new hardware--I was waiting for Vista to get it bundled in. Trouble is, I am not sure I will go Dell this time. I may give Gateway desktops a try (I have their convertible tablet/laptop and love it--I'll be buying another one of those in a bit too). Or does anyone have a good recommendation for a kick-ass machine from any vendor (besides a Mac)? I need good disk access speed since I do a lot of data conversion and mySQL database work.
I do development on the machine, so my next question will be which version of Vista? I run Apache rather than IIS, and I don't really use the machine as a server for my home network. Anyone looked into the advantages/disadvantages of the various versions? Limitations for my home office network?
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01/30/2007 10:02:08 PM · #33 |
Well from their web site I would have to believe that they actually did not make any improvements except for 64bit and looks. They do not make claims to anything else that I can read. I am not feeling the magic.
I have pc's everywhere, I have been using them since dos. I just do not see what they did in 5 years. No real inovation here. |
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01/30/2007 10:04:48 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Louis:
C'mon. You actually believe what you're saying? You really, truly believe that the entire development effort for Vista over the past five years has been for absolutely nothing, with no improvements at all, and with zero benefit to any end user, and for the sole purpose of.... what exactly? At least give the impression of impartial objectivity, would ya? |
I BELIEVE 80% of the developement effort behind Vista is to shove DRM down the consumer throat. But that's just my opinion. As for being IMPARTIAL, M$ has proven in the past that the have no one's interests in mind except their own. What sanely run company NEEDS to earn $1 billion dollars profit in a month? |
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01/30/2007 10:05:27 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Well, I'm ready for some new hardware--I was waiting for Vista to get it bundled in. Trouble is, I am not sure I will go Dell this time. I may give Gateway desktops a try (I have their convertible tablet/laptop and love it--I'll be buying another one of those in a bit too). Or does anyone have a good recommendation for a kick-ass machine from any vendor (besides a Mac)? I need good disk access speed since I do a lot of data conversion and mySQL database work.
I do development on the machine, so my next question will be which version of Vista? I run Apache rather than IIS, and I don't really use the machine as a server for my home network. Anyone looked into the advantages/disadvantages of the various versions? Limitations for my home office network? |
I think Alien is a good high end vendor. I would pick them over just about any one in the high end market. |
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01/30/2007 10:06:23 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Anyone looked into the advantages/disadvantages of the various versions? Limitations for my home office network? |
Summary of the different Windows Vista versions. |
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01/30/2007 10:07:22 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
I'm still a little standoffish on Vista. I will not install it on my current machine. I'd have to upgrade the video card, the rest is supposedly compatible. I'll build another box sometime after mid-year and that may run Vista, depending on what I hear between now and then.
I just attended a 4-hour Microsoft Launch Event today (what a zoo!) and honestly there are a lot of very nice things in Vista. Watch and wait is my strategy for now.
Oh yeh, I attended the Launch Event because they gave out a free copy of Office 2007 Professional :-) |
I'm with Kerbic on this one. I attend the same launch event tomorrow and I'll see what they have to say. I'm perfectly happy with XP for now. If I get a bug up my arse then I'll build up a rig to run Vista on to check it out but I'm not going to rush right out and buy a copy.
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01/30/2007 10:08:42 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by Louis:
C'mon. You actually believe what you're saying? You really, truly believe that the entire development effort for Vista over the past five years has been for absolutely nothing, with no improvements at all, and with zero benefit to any end user, and for the sole purpose of.... what exactly? At least give the impression of impartial objectivity, would ya? |
I BELIEVE 80% of the developement effort behind Vista is to shove DRM down the consumer throat. |
Can't argue with the general hatred of DRM, and how somehow Microsoft is beholden to Hollywood of all things. Sickening. Here's an article about it.
Originally posted by _eug:
But that's just my opinion. As for being IMPARTIAL, M$ has proven in the past that the have no one's interests in mind except their own. What sanely run company NEEDS to earn $1 billion dollars profit in a month? |
Yeah, all successful companies should be completely liquidated. That'll help the economy. ;) |
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01/30/2007 10:11:22 PM · #39 |
To be sure, there are some disappointments, but they were not shocks. Originally, Vista was to have an entirely new file system, which got ditched a year or so ago - well, delayed. There were other previously touted new features that were also put off or scrapped. That's the development process.
Personally, I'm happy that I got over half a decade out of XP, and will continue to run XP on at least one machine for at least two years.
I found it interesting that in our session today, the claim was made that over 85% of the application and OS crashes experienced by XP are due to graphics memory allocation problems, and that Vista will not be prone to such crashes. I know for a fact that the vast majority of my app crashes, (which are really few and far between) are due to this. If Vista is a stable as it seems it may be, and has the performance it seems to have, and manages it's resources well over time, I believe it will be a very well-regarded OS. |
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01/30/2007 10:14:30 PM · #40 |
Thanks--Home Premium appears to have everything I need (and use in professional), except answering remote desktop client requests, but there are alternatives to that, and I haven't used it very much in XP over the years. Unless there's something they're not telling me in the charts...which wouldn't be surprising!
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01/30/2007 10:16:24 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by _eug:
But that's just my opinion. As for being IMPARTIAL, M$ has proven in the past that the have no one's interests in mind except their own. What sanely run company NEEDS to earn $1 billion dollars profit in a month? |
Yeah, all successful companies should be completely liquidated. That'll help the economy. ;) |
Now where did I say that? ;) Regulated, yes. Especially if it's proven in a court that you broke the law. I felt they should have been broken up like the Bells, but the current administration is beholden to big business instead of the public interests.
Edit: quoting.
Message edited by author 2007-01-30 22:17:58. |
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01/30/2007 10:20:14 PM · #42 |
Wow. I just read that site, and realized that I am already using basic Vista. GO down the list and mark off the things that you cannot do already and you find very few things actually new.
Windows Vista Basic UI
Windows Aero UI ("Glass")
Windows Flip
Windows Flip 3D
Live Taskbar Thumbnails
Instant search
Live content organization in Explorer windows
User Account Control (UAC)
Windows Security Center
Windows Defender
Windows Firewall
Internet Explorer 7 Protected Mode
Phishing Filter (IE7 and Windows Mail)
Windows Update (can access Microsoft Update)
Parental Controls
Windows ReadyDrive
Windows ReadyBoost
64-bit processor support
Maximum RAM (32-bit version)
Maximum RAM (64-bit version)
Physical processor support
Processor core support
Real-time backup and recovery
Scheduled backup
Windows ShadowCopy
System image backup and recovery
Encrypting File System (EFS)
Windows BitLocker Full Drive Encryption
Windows SuperFetch
Automatic hard disk defragmentation
Internet Explorer 7
RSS support
Windows Mail
Windows Calendar
Windows Contacts
Windows Sidebar
Games Explorer
Premium games
Windows Photo Gallery
Themed photo slide shows
Windows Media Player 11
Windows Media Center
Windows Media Center HDTV and CableCard support
Xbox 360 Media Center Extender compatibility
Windows Movie Maker
Windows Movie Maker HD format support
Windows DVD Maker
Network and Sharing Center
Improved wireless networking
Improved power management
Number of supported simultaneous peer network connections
Windows Meeting Space
Improved file and folder sharing
Network Projector support
Presentation Settings
Remote Desktop
Join domain (Windows Server/SBS)
Offline files and folder support
IIS Web Server
Windows Mobility Center
Sync Center
Tablet PC functionality
Touch screen support
Windows SideShow (auxiliary display support)
Windows Anytime Upgade
Windows Ultimate Extras
Speech recognition suport
Accessibility Settings and Ease of Access Center
Windows Welcome Center
XPS document support
Windows Fax and Scan
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01/30/2007 10:24:08 PM · #43 |
| Only I CAN do some of those things! I like to fax from my laptop... |
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01/30/2007 11:24:36 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Office Groove 2007
Looks like collaboration software to me. |
Groove 2007 rocks. We (developers) use this to keep our notes on development projects. We make shared notebooks, put 'em on a network share and then anyone on the team can read or update it just like you would Word or Excel (it even gives us native screen clipping functionality and post-it(tm) style notes). It includes realtime collaborative sessions besides the notebook. MS bought it from the original company that developed it but its revolutionized out ability to keep info; it TOTALLY kicks SharePoint's ass (particularly in the area of working as opposed to just being a PITA and another interface with which to deal).
Our company isn't an early adopter (n-1 or sp-1) and while many of us developers install MS's new OSes on separate computers, partitions or VMs I've yet to find anyone that got Vista to play well. It still poops all over VS2k5 and the upcoming SP for Studio doesn't even solve the integration problems with Vista.
As for M$'s versioning, has anyone seen their breakdown on VS2K5? You have to go get a degree in accounting to determine which version you can afford. Professional, enterprise, team, etc. M$ just seems to be going the route of slicing all functionality and charging their user base differently from prior methods (where differentiations made more sense to users such as Home or Professional for XP or Education, Professional or Enterprise for Studio).
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01/31/2007 08:19:38 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by mystopia:
Personally I'd never buy an "upgrade" I will only get full version and do a clean install. |
Better idea. Buy the upgrade, save money and then do a clean install anyway.
//www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
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01/31/2007 08:21:58 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by mystopia:
Personally I'd never buy an "upgrade" I will only get full version and do a clean install. |
Better idea. Buy the upgrade, save money and then do a clean install anyway.
//www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932 |
SWEET! |
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01/31/2007 08:28:27 PM · #47 |
I just couldn't get used to Office 2007, in fact I hated it. The main reason is that they've rearranged the toolbars and menus. It took me 20 minutes to figure out where the macro stuff was hidden.
I don't get it really, from a UI design viewpoint where's the advantage in moving things around like that, and sticking a giant ribbon toolbar along the top of the screen taking up more screen space.
That last part really irritates me. At a time when people are moving towards widescreen laptops with perhaps 800 pixels vertically, MS stick a giant ribbon along the top of the screen in Office 2007 taking up valuable vertical space.
The only thing I've ever seen people do with Vista when they're showing off is that thing with the animated screen flip (where you can page through all the open apps) - Oh, and the clock widget. Groundbreaking. |
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01/31/2007 08:42:23 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
SWEET! |
Indeed! Bookmarked. |
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01/31/2007 09:03:14 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by _eug:
What sanely run company NEEDS to earn $1 billion dollars profit in a month? |
Any company that has shareholders. Do you own any stock, eug? Would you be in favor of the government putting limits on its profits?
Notwithstanding its early business practices, MS has done a lot to help the economy in indirect ways - like making millionaires - many of them - and many of them who have taken that money and started their own businesses. I'm in favor of very limited regulation on practices that essentially stifle innovation, but NOT limit profit in any way - let the market take care of that.
I'm not particularly a fan of MS, but I am a fan of capitalism. :) |
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01/31/2007 09:30:18 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
SWEET! |
Indeed! Bookmarked. |
Yep, that is cool. |
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