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 01/23/2007 12:00:27 PM · #51
Originally posted by scalvert:
Vulnerabilities maybe, but not exploits. That guy is trying to show that something might be possible even though it's never actually happened.


Well, this is how all the Windows hacks begin. Known flaws being exploited before a patch is released. In MS' defense (and I am not a MS fan by any stretch of the imagination), Apple would be as slow in releasing fixes as Microsoft is if they had to make sure their code ran on any combination of hardware from countless manufacturers. Apple has it easy - for the most part Apple's OS runs on a known platform.

Originally posted by not by routerguy666:
Honestly, who would write a virus for a mac? That would be like a terrorist bombing an abandoned desert town. Not worth the effort.


Not sure who posted this but it wasn't me.

There have been viruses for the OS X platform, same as there have been viruses for most flavors of unix. The first worm on the net was a unix based attack as I recall.

01/23/2007 12:18:06 PM · #52
Originally posted by boomtap:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by boomtap:
If I did make a mac virus how would I get that virus to spread?


There are quite a few Linux viruses, despite an even smaller market share.


Lots and lots of linux servers.


A mac virus doesn't necessarily have to be on a Mac server, nor does a Windows virus necessarily have to be on a Windows server, especially in the cae of Trojan viruses. A Trojan virus can sit on any server or on a floppy or on a CD. There only needs to be a method of getting the virus onto the "to be infected" computer, in many cases it's usually the USER that is the weakest link.
 01/23/2007 01:03:34 PM · #53
I hope you don't think that your Mac can't catch a virus. Hacks just don't spend time writing virus code that only has the chance to attack the 10% of computers that use mac software.....

....they use their time to get the best bang for the buck....the goal is to affect Windows, which is run in 90% of personal computers....

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Oh, no worries here. This is a Mac house.

01/23/2007 01:15:06 PM · #54
Hackers like the challenge. Maybe they don't hack Macs becuase they are difficult to hack. Just a thought.

In any case, if the market share arguement is valid then you'd think that 10% of the viruses would be targeted at Macs. So why is the virus market share for the Mac in the .0001% range? (I tried to divide 3 by 140,000 but the calculator on my PC at work couldn't do it)

There are millions of Macs sold every year. Apple is the 4th or 5th largest producer of computers in the world. Don't let the numbers game fool you into thinking Macs are just as easy to exploit as PCs. The truth of the matter is thay are not.

If you are happy with an OS full of security holes, spending time with anti-virus, rebuilds, wondering about that email with an attachment that your mother forwarded to you, then rock on with your bad selves.

But don't mock those of us who simply know better.

BMW has less market share in cars than Apple has in computers. I like BMWs too.

Originally posted by kenskid:
I hope you don't think that your Mac can't catch a virus. Hacks just don't spend time writing virus code that only has the chance to attack the 10% of computers that use mac software.....

....they use their time to get the best bang for the buck....the goal is to affect Windows, which is run in 90% of personal computers....

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Oh, no worries here. This is a Mac house.

01/23/2007 01:18:01 PM · #55
I've had a Mac virus..... wwaaayyy back in 1992 or 3. Got it from a disk that an internet provider gave me to load the internet software so I could connect to their service.

On the 1000th startup, before I got the happy Mac symbol, a little tiny voice said "Don't Panic" well, that's when you panic! Did some homework on the internet, found out the issue with the detail and symptoms. It was easy to clean out and had been the reason for some random application quits. Found what disk it was on when I went to clean the floppies (remember those?)
 01/23/2007 01:26:59 PM · #56
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by boomtap:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by boomtap:
If I did make a mac virus how would I get that virus to spread?


There are quite a few Linux viruses, despite an even smaller market share.


Lots and lots of linux servers.


A mac virus doesn't necessarily have to be on a Mac server, nor does a Windows virus necessarily have to be on a Windows server, especially in the cae of Trojan viruses. A Trojan virus can sit on any server or on a floppy or on a CD. There only needs to be a method of getting the virus onto the "to be infected" computer, in many cases it's usually the USER that is the weakest link.


My macs are the cleanest computers in my school disctrict. The PC's are full of all kinds of junk. We don't have any issues with the macs and the internet. Give a teacher a pc and a week later there are 4000 pieces of spyware. Give a teacher a mac and I probably don't see them except when they unbind from the pc network for some unexplained reason.

By the way, I am a pc person. I own lots of pc's and am helping our disctrict go 100% pc. There is just alot more support and apps on the network side for PC.

Message edited by author 2007-01-23 13:28:35.
 01/23/2007 01:39:13 PM · #57
The last Mac virus I saw was around 1989. I was called up to management because they had a floppy disc that Norton Antivirus kept spitting out because it was infected. Their solution was to turn off Norton on this networked computer. That was a fun day. :-/

BTW- I don't really care whether the lack of OS X viruses is related to market share. It's kinda like somebody in a flood plain explaining why people on higher ground don't have have to occassionally bail water when they could simply move.

Message edited by author 2007-01-23 13:39:51.
 01/23/2007 01:51:26 PM · #58
Originally posted by scalvert:
The last Mac virus I saw was around 1989. I was called up to management because they had a floppy disc that Norton Antivirus kept spitting out because it was infected. Their solution was to turn off Norton on this networked computer. That was a fun day. :-/

BTW- I don't really care whether the lack of OS X viruses is related to market share. It's kinda like somebody in a flood plain explaining why people on higher ground don't have have to occassionally bail water when they could simply move.


Agreed. If you don't want viruses and spyware get a mac.
 01/23/2007 02:30:42 PM · #59
Originally posted by scalvert:
BTW- I don't really care whether the lack of OS X viruses is related to market share. It's kinda like somebody in a flood plain explaining why people on higher ground don't have have to occassionally bail water when they could simply move.


Good point, though there are a lot of us who continue to marvel at you suckers paying for your patch of land when you can live for free in so many nice, stable neighborhoods out there...
 01/23/2007 02:38:36 PM · #60
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by scalvert:
BTW- I don't really care whether the lack of OS X viruses is related to market share. It's kinda like somebody in a flood plain explaining why people on higher ground don't have have to occassionally bail water when they could simply move.


Good point, though there are a lot of us who continue to marvel at you suckers paying for your patch of land when you can live for free in so many nice, stable neighborhoods out there...


We like the view! You all look like ants from up here. ;-)
 01/23/2007 02:47:09 PM · #61
Heck I dont see what the problems are, I have several systems running that never reboot or shut off running XP, never had a virus or spyware on my stuff, heck I've got a 9 year old with a laptop and a desktop thats never had any trouble. I can build a fast pc for less then $400 and have it run for many trouble free years. To each their own.

MattO

Edit to add: I also have parents who cant go for a month without getting spyware or some other adware that slows down the PC. I'm just glad they use online e-mail with virus/spam scanner. Its all in how and what you do with your computer/mac.

Message edited by author 2007-01-23 14:53:05.
 01/23/2007 03:29:16 PM · #62
Originally posted by MattO:
Heck I dont see what the problems are, I have several systems running that never reboot or shut off running XP, never had a virus or spyware on my stuff, heck I've got a 9 year old with a laptop and a desktop thats never had any trouble. I can build a fast pc for less then $400 and have it run for many trouble free years. To each their own.

MattO

Edit to add: I also have parents who cant go for a month without getting spyware or some other adware that slows down the PC. I'm just glad they use online e-mail with virus/spam scanner. Its all in how and what you do with your computer/mac.


lol...I know that the teachers here are like your parents. They go to some site and click on anything that might apear. Wham! They have 400,000 pieces of spyware.
 01/23/2007 04:03:24 PM · #63
that about sums it up... there are way too many morons using windows, and not enough using macs. if enough morons start using macs the viruses will figure it out and start mutating. chaos and fire will reuslt - and the virus WILL infect the mac. mac users will feel violated, empty, and lost. before the dust settles trojan horses will move in and unleash coordinated efforts to spoil the apple. and then the apple WILL FEEL the weight of internet insecurity !!!!


01/23/2007 04:09:43 PM · #64
One day...there will be a nasty WORM in an Apple. It will be a core virus that will need system peel back and will get on your pips!!
 01/23/2007 04:19:27 PM · #65
my tired fingers strain to type as i continue my efforts to beat back the worm that has infected my system. as i start to bite into the last apple i have to consume - i realize my days are numbered - it too has been over taken by the worm... the trojans are sure to follow and all hell to break loose.
 01/23/2007 04:23:30 PM · #66
disregard the last couple posts - my PC was infected with worms and causing all kinds of trouble. i just got back from the vet. with a couple downloads, a virus scan, and a major boot. all should be well...

01/23/2007 05:01:30 PM · #67
Those last couple of post make me wonder: What's in the soup? :-P
 01/23/2007 05:58:10 PM · #68
My theory/opinion is that a relative of Peter Norton's is the one that writes all the viruses and that he owns a PC. Antvirus software is just the big brother checking your system and habits, then reports back.

Are there really that many virus authors that are bored and getting their thrill by writing that many different viruses, each and every day?
How many thousands are there now?
 01/23/2007 06:04:21 PM · #69
Originally posted by justamistere:

Are there really that many virus authors that are bored and getting their thrill by writing that many different viruses, each and every day?


Yeah, and the thing is that most of them are teens. And teens can't afford Macs ...
 01/23/2007 08:23:01 PM · #70
Originally posted by justamistere:
My theory/opinion is that a relative of Peter Norton's is the one that writes all the viruses and that he owns a PC. Antvirus software is just the big brother checking your system and habits, then reports back.

Are there really that many virus authors that are bored and getting their thrill by writing that many different viruses, each and every day?
How many thousands are there now?


I agree with this. I am not a conspiracy guy, but I do think they manufacture these things to sell software.
 01/23/2007 08:40:22 PM · #71
What is "reboot"? Are Mac users supposed to use that?
01/23/2007 08:54:16 PM · #72
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
What is "reboot"? Are Mac users supposed to use that?


it's a computing term to describe powering off and on of a computer.
does your mac not come with a power button? then maybe you'd have to unplug the power/battery instead to perform a reboot.
01/23/2007 08:57:55 PM · #73
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
What is "reboot"?


On a Mac, it means "restart" (seldom seen except after installing system-level software). On a PC, it means "kick it again." ;-)
 01/23/2007 08:58:34 PM · #74
Hey, who renamed my thread? :-P
 01/23/2007 09:00:05 PM · #75
Originally posted by TooCool:
Hey, who renamed my thread? :-P


Just bumping it for ya'. ;-)
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