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06/14/2003 05:39:05 PM · #1 |
Apologies if this has been discussed in another thread. I know what this challenge entails and i have a number of pictures that blatantly meet the challenge. My favorite, however, has all the subjects off-center but a very small portion of one object just happens to be on-center and beyond. It made for a much better composition and, it seems to me, the overall image is still clearly 'off-center'. To those who feel strongly about meeting the challenge, would such a submission be okay or not?
I ask this because on magazine cover, where most comments say that challenge is well met, i got one comment that also said that challenge was definitely not met. Don't know, of course, what non-commenters thought about that :) |
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06/14/2003 05:51:56 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Apologies if this has been discussed in another thread. I know what this challenge entails and i have a number of pictures that blatantly meet the challenge. My favorite, however, has all the subjects off-center but a very small portion of one object just happens to be on-center and beyond. It made for a much better composition and, it seems to me, the overall image is still clearly 'off-center'. To those who feel strongly about meeting the challenge, would such a submission be okay or not?
I ask this because on magazine cover, where most comments say that challenge is well met, i got one comment that also said that challenge was definitely not met. Don't know, of course, what non-commenters thought about that :) |
Submit it. I'm not that anal about the exact language of it. I reckon if its not "centered", then it must be "off-centered". I don't recall the challenge wording anywhere stating "grossly off center". I would go for it. If you have a good one to submit, put it in there. Just do it! Everyone will have their own opinions anyway. Whatever you put in, someone will not see it in the same light you see it. It happens every challenge. Lately though, the whole site has to read about these differences. And we wonder why there aren't so many comments these days... Maybe we should limit forum posts to 3 a day. Hmmmmmm.....
Sorry...I'm bordering Rant. Enter the BEST image. You'll worry about it enough after the challenge has started. Why pre-worry about it now?
Ok, done.... Bob |
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06/14/2003 06:30:27 PM · #3 |
| No matter what, whichever shot you choose to post, you'll WISH you'd posted a different one. Often happens to me that way anyway Maybe you should choose the one you want to post, then post the other one. : ) |
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06/14/2003 06:45:02 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by sagestudio:
No matter what, whichever shot you choose to post, you'll WISH you'd posted a different one. Often happens to me that way anyway Maybe you should choose the one you want to post, then post the other one. : ) |
But then she'll wish she posted the other one, according to you :)
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06/14/2003 06:46:21 PM · #5 |
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06/14/2003 07:42:29 PM · #6 |
Thanks to all of you. See how paranoid i'm becoming about this meeting the challenge deal? :) Silly, really. Agree with inspzil that no matter what you do, there's bound to be someone disagreeing with it.
Well, sagestudio, THANKS A LOT, lol. You're advocating a perpetual state of indecisiveness. (don't take it too hard that maybe you have given your alter ego a bad submission suggestion once or twice - and you never know, the one he did not submit might have done even less well; although that guy has nothing to complain about his results :).
Woke up at 6; got a nice early shoot and a very kind invitation to shoot at a better location. The rest of the day i've spent doing some nasty Home Improvement projects, bah, and am now done and totally beat. So, weekend is now starting. Hope you all have a good one! |
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06/14/2003 07:47:44 PM · #7 |
| Hey, greenem, just noticed you got a 10D. Congrats! I have promised myself a 10D in about a year if i continue to have the commitment for photography and progress of the last two weeks. I'm very happy with the G3 - it's my 'learning photography' camera - but i can't wait to have real zoom lenses. The dof you can get on the 10D is extraordinary as well and so are the colors and ... and ... |
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06/14/2003 08:19:43 PM · #8 |
I say go with the one you want to learn from. Unless the sole reason for submitting is to only "WIN".
Good luck on your decision. |
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06/14/2003 10:02:45 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Apologies if this has been discussed in another thread. I know what this challenge entails and i have a number of pictures that blatantly meet the challenge. My favorite, however, has all the subjects off-center but a very small portion of one object just happens to be on-center and beyond. It made for a much better composition and, it seems to me, the overall image is still clearly 'off-center'. To those who feel strongly about meeting the challenge, would such a submission be okay or not?
I ask this because on magazine cover, where most comments say that challenge is well met, i got one comment that also said that challenge was definitely not met. Don't know, of course, what non-commenters thought about that :) |
I am with you. I am holding my head in my hands over the "language of the challenge" lawyer-isms infiltrating this site. Everyone is so touchy and so we are all afraid of not meeting the challenge. It is definatley inhibiting the creativity the site was meant to enhance.
I feel for you Journey. I and others are in the same boat.
I would say to go with your creative gut instinct! ;)
Message edited by author 2003-06-14 22:03:19.
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06/14/2003 10:26:38 PM · #10 |
| We are each free to instigate a creative revolt amongst the submitters -- my scores indicate that I try this strategy periodically (weekly) to see if there's been any progress. |
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06/14/2003 11:08:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Well, sagestudio, THANKS A LOT, lol. You're advocating a perpetual state of indecisiveness. (don't take it too hard that maybe you have given your alter ego a bad submission suggestion once or twice - and you never know, the one he did not submit might have done even less well; although that guy has nothing to complain about his results :). |
Hmm, well, I guess I sounded a bit indecisive, just ignore everything I say, then maybe you'll make the right decision! I did make a bad recommendation this week to my "alter ego". Hey, but on the other hand, I'm actually beating him with BOTH my entries this week, that is quite an accomplishment for me!
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06/14/2003 11:35:20 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
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It is definatley inhibiting the creativity the site was meant to enhance.
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Yep, i really wish the site would reword that "taking the meeting of the challenge in THE HIGHEST CONSIDERATION". I'm really not rebelling against the meeting the challenge business. But in my book, that aspect rates maybe 2 points; 3 if the submission is totally off the wall. What i find pathetic is people automatically rating 1s, or making it the main feature of their comment, when the submission does not meet the 'narrowest of challenge definitions'. They read meanings into the challenge that d&l probably never intended of even thought of; they just like to present a fairly general challenge description to leave lots of room for interpretation.
Sagestudio: i think you have just given away your 'altruistic' advice to the A.E. You're just telling the poor man to submit the one that you think is least palatable to the general voter in order to enhance your own standing in the competition. I am really wondering whether such conniving sits well in your household :) (just joking, hope you know it ;) |
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06/15/2003 09:53:52 AM · #13 |
LOL!
If that were true, (and maybe subconsciously it is) then NOBODY around here would get ribbons! : )
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06/15/2003 03:22:47 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Originally posted by KarenB:
It is definatley inhibiting the creativity the site was meant to enhance.
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Yep, i really wish the site would reword that "taking the meeting of the challenge in THE HIGHEST CONSIDERATION". I'm really not rebelling against the meeting the challenge business. But in my book, that aspect rates maybe 2 points; 3 if the submission is totally off the wall. |
Er, no offense, but why? I mean, what's the POINT of entering a THEMED challenge if you don't care what the theme is? I do not get this attitude in the slightest. "Oh, well, it's not that important". Yes, yes it is. "It inhibits creativity" -- the hell it does, the challenges are quite broad enough to not do it. Even if it just said 'take a picture of a cat', that still leaves dozens of varieties of cats and hundreds of situations, artificial or natural, to do it in.
The thing is, from what I've seen, everyone overacts out the wazoo if someone says a specific flaw will lose even a single point, and takes that to mean "I'm going to hand out 1s to even the most technically perfect picture that's slightly off-topic." They assume that someone saying "I'm going to mark down if blah" is both going to mark down significantly and has extremely rigid standards of 'blah', when in reality that's not the case, and then, of course, they totally ignore the person who said that when they try to clarify and keep harping on how narrow-minded and rigid those people are.
Meanwhile, professional studio pictures of humans are placing higher than cute but slightly flawed pictures of cats in cat contests (note: this is a hypothetical example) because people don't think topic is all that important. If you worked for a magazine and the editor said "Go out and take me some pictures of this building collapse over on 7th" and you came back with some great sunset photos taken nowhere near 7th, do you think he'd say "Oh, well, gosh, those are such pretty photos that we'll run them anyhow, I don't care if it's nothing like what I said I wanted."?
Can someone point me to a THEMED contest where THEME is actually considered important, then? I mean, according to the rules here, it was, which is why I thought it'd be worthwhile, but apparently it really isn't when it comes down to it, shoulda looked at the archives more closely before I spent my $25... |
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06/15/2003 07:57:34 PM · #15 |
| I've gotten waaaaaay more than my $25 worth just by reading the tutorials. |
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06/15/2003 11:59:16 PM · #16 |
| What I think is really fun about this site is that we DO have "editors" who give us "assignments" in the form of challenges. While some prefer to take the wide shot of the collapsed building, others take macros of the dust on the bricks and other take photos of people's reactions to the building's collapse. Still others take shots of other buildings similar to the one that collapsed for contrast. It's all in interpretation, so I agree with both KarenB and gachyk: there IS a challenge that should be met, but luckily there are lots of interpretations of that challenge that make looking at photos an interesting and engaging task. |
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06/16/2003 02:30:34 PM · #17 |
Anyone can take a shot and then crop it off centre, where is the challenge in that.... I believe a good off centred shot should be enough off centre to make it feel that way, but not off centre so much that the negative space makes no contribution to the shot at all...
Shot should be marked up or down by the feelings they envoke not soley by a point scheme based on demerits for failing to provide certain criteria... This I have learnt while a member of this great site. I used to be a demerit person myself...
Thanks all |
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06/16/2003 04:58:48 PM · #18 |
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06/16/2003 05:20:32 PM · #19 |
just an observation about all the people who are a part of this thread: average vote cast is similar or higher than average vote received. In other words, those who are guilty of the crime (so to speak, by that I mean those who arbitrarily vote down photos to some ridiculous number) are not participating in the discussion.
I often wonder when I see average vote cast 3.222, and received 6.545. You'd think they'd take a cue when a photo rates 6 overall, yet they scored it a two.
oh well...to each their own. Until there's money involved I won't complain. :) |
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06/16/2003 06:31:37 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by brentg3:
...Shot should be marked up or down by the feelings they envoke not soley by a point scheme based on demerits for failing to provide certain criteria... |
So VERY true. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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