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01/22/2007 08:41:40 PM · #1 |
So I was set on getting a 5d. I was going to buy it this week, and a friend lent me his so I could try it out. I guess I built it up too much. I was kind of dissapointed with the outcome
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01/22/2007 08:48:56 PM · #2 |
I suppose it all depends on what you do with it... for instance, I don't care much for the lighting you have going on in your example picture, but that doesn't have anything to do with the camera.
What is it about the camera that disappointed you?
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01/22/2007 08:51:21 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
I suppose it all depends on what you do with it... for instance, I don't care much for the lighting you have going on in your example picture, but that doesn't have anything to do with the camera.
What is it about the camera that disappointed you? |
The problem is he photographed a 65 year old woman... look what the 5D did to her! |
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01/22/2007 08:51:36 PM · #4 |
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01/22/2007 09:13:47 PM · #5 |
I just shot that to see what the photos looked like. Your right, the lighting wasnt amazing. I guess its just the idea that a camera that sells for 5 times more than the camera I am currently using, yeilded results only somewhat better than the camera I am currently using. The photo in the middle, there was some funky stuff going on with the shadows in his face. I think what happend is I built this camera up so much in my head, that I was dissapointed to see that my photos didnt fit what I had in mind.
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01/22/2007 09:15:58 PM · #6 |
I'm a happy 5D owner, in fact it's what made me sell my 1D MkII.
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01/22/2007 09:17:23 PM · #7 |
I'm just curious, what was supposed to be so special about the 5D?
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01/22/2007 09:18:22 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by terje:
I'm a happy 5D owner, in fact it's what made me sell my 1D MkII. |
Really? Ive spent the last week looking up everything I can find about the 5d. I read the manual and everything. I was also looking at the raw pictures on dpreview and comaring them to practically every camera canon and nikon has ever put out, and the one from the 1D MKII. Wow... Now that one is nice.
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01/22/2007 09:21:47 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm just curious, what was supposed to be so special about the 5D? |
Well I was really captivated by the full frame. Im afraid that with staying with Nikon having invested all this money in these DX lenses, that they will be worthless soon, so I wanted to have something that would be a little bit more stable. Its not likely that Canon will come out with a sensor larger than full frame. Plus I love wide angle shots, and there is nothing that Nikon has that compares wide angle wise. There was also the fact that I was able to make the money to change my complete system by freelancing, and I think that is a big step for me.
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01/22/2007 09:23:14 PM · #10 |
| What lens were you using? It would have an effect. Did you try any other shots outside? or try taking the exact same shots with comparable lenses on your D70 and the 5D, remembering the crop factor. Would have a more accurate judgement to make then I think. |
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01/22/2007 09:25:11 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
What lens were you using? It would have an effect. Did you try any other shots outside? or try taking the exact same shots with comparable lenses on your D70 and the 5D, remembering the crop factor. Would have a more accurate judgement to make then I think. |
Im planning on doing all those experiments before I make my final decision. I was just hoping that the photos would blow my mind with out a side by side comparison.
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01/22/2007 09:27:50 PM · #12 |
| when you do the tests also make sure that the cameras are set back on the factory settings i.e. in camera sharpening=0 |
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01/22/2007 09:39:00 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
Its not likely that Canon will come out with a sensor larger than full frame. |
Actually, I've heard rumors about a medium format dSLR from Canon... ;-)
But, uhh, that's just a rumor. :-)
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01/22/2007 09:50:24 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
I think what happend is I built this camera up so much in my head, that I was dissapointed to see that my photos didnt fit what I had in mind. |
Once again it bears saying, it's the carpenter not the hammer. |
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01/22/2007 11:19:45 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
I was just hoping that the photos would blow my mind with out a side by side comparison. |
Let me tell you where I think the 5D really shines, and maybe that will help guide you in your comparison. Some of the things I really like about the 5D are:
Dynamic range: Take a picture of a scene with a wide range between light and shadow and then look into the highlights and the shadows for details. Take one of the same scene with the same settings on the D70 and compare the amount of detail you see in the highlights and shadows.
Low noise: Bump the ISO all the way up to 1600 (or even 3200) and take a few pictures. Then try to find the noise. Try the same thing with the D70 and compare. (I almost never shoot ISO 3200, but I did last week because I was at an indoor swim meet - I am *still* amazed at how little noise gets into the image!)
Full frame: If you've ever used a 70-200 lens on a 1.6x crop sensor, you'll feel like you have to stand across the parking lot to get a full length shot of a person (I exagerate, of course, you get the idea). Put it on a full frame and suddenly the 70-200 lens is a perfect fit. Better yet, the DOF is much shallower on a full frame camera (when taking an image that fills the same amount of the frame). Meaning beautiful out-of-focus backgrounds.
Wide angle: A wide angle lens (my favorite is the Canon 14mm rectilinear lens, but I also like the 15mm fisheye) is truly wide angle on the 5D.
Bright viewfinder: The full frame sensor has a secondary effect of the mirror and prism being larger and letting more light into the viewfinder. The first time I looked through the 5D I though I was making it up. I couldn't believe it was bigger and brighter. But it is.
Big LCD: Okay, there are other cameras with big LCDs now too. But the 5D was the first one I got to hold with a big LCD and I fell in love immediately.
Color histogram: Not just the standard exposure histogram, but one that shows the three color channels. So I can tell if I'm blowing a single channel. For example, if reds are blown, but blue and green are not, you won't get the "blinkies" and the standard exposure histogram won't appear to be blown - but you will have lost detail in the reds. Very useful.
The only thing I could wish for on the 5D is this... 9 frames per second! I mostly shoot weddings and the 5D is a wonderful machine for that. But sometimes I shoot sports. When I do, I switch to the 20D for its frame rate. I'd love to have the focus tracking and the reduced noise of the 5D and the zoom factor and frame rate of the 20D. Such is life.
Anyway, those are the things I think you ought to look at. When/if you buy it, I think you'll like the 5D. :-)
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01/23/2007 01:04:46 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by fallingretina:
I was just hoping that the photos would blow my mind with out a side by side comparison. |
Let me tell you bla bla bla... :) |
I'm not gonna quote that whole thing but I'll second everything David said and add a very fully featured set of easy to use controls.
You'll need some nice glass though if you don't want to worry too much about vignetting.
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01/23/2007 01:48:07 AM · #17 |
I thought the 5D was the answer to my craptography also :-(
Who needs great dynamic range, low noise at high ISO, full frame sensor, true wide angle, big bright viewfinder and color histograms anyway. Stay with the Nikon dude ;-P
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01/23/2007 01:58:34 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Who needs great dynamic range, low noise at high ISO, full frame sensor, true wide angle, big bright viewfinder and color histograms anyway. Stay with the Nikon dude ;-P |
ditto,
I just upgraded from the 350d, and holy crap. people say that the full frame sensor isnt the "be all and end all of digital" (or whatever that saying is) but I tell you for me its got to be damn close. upgrading for me was seriously like upgrading my lenses also, the 70-200 becomes a walkaround lens and the 28mm on my 28-75 is finally wide enough. I am totally blown away by the camera and would recommend it to anybody.
nick |
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01/23/2007 02:17:00 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
...Im afraid that with staying with Nikon having invested all this money in these DX lenses, that they will be worthless soon... |
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Even if Nikon did come out with a FF sensor (which they say they have no interest in doing) that doesn't mean they are going to just drop their entire current user base.
I know it's hard to not get caught up in the wild future speculation of what XYZ product manufacturer could possibly come out with some day but you'll just drive yourself crazy with such thoughts. Shoot today and enjoy what you have today.
The D70 is an excellent camera. I don't think what you saw was so much that the 5D was a bad camera as you saw that what you already have is a very good camera.
I only recommend upgrades when people have an actual NEED that their camera cannot fulfill. For example I loved my D70 and would still be using it except I shoot ballet and needed a faster shooting speed as well as more flexibility in crops. The D200 is a great camera don't get me wrong but when it comes down to it the picture quality alone isn't reason enough to upgrade from the D70. It's just not that much better. Same with the 5D. Your clients won't care if you used a d40 or a 5D to shoot with as long as the pictures are well lit and well composed and that has nothing to do with which camera you are using.
Why have you been thinking of upgrading to the 5D? What features does it have that you need that the D70 doesn't have? Do you need the features or just want them? If all you're concerned with is image quality then IMO there's not enough difference in ANY of the DSLRs out there to matter, you won't much difference unless you look really hard to find them.
just my 2 cents and a nickel. |
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01/23/2007 02:18:51 AM · #20 |
Canon 5D + Canon 30D + 24-70 f/2.8L + 70-200 f/2.8L = perfect two body wedding setup.
But, that's just for now... There have been rumors of Nikon putting out a FF body. I don't known for sure, as they have stated that they don't want to and they have some pretty significant challenges to overcome, but you never know...
If they do, they might slap together something like the D2X series with a quick flip for 'crop mode high speed shooting'... For when you need those action shots. |
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01/23/2007 02:41:06 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
I don't think what you saw was so much that the 5D was a bad camera as you saw that what you already have is a very good camera.
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I am sometimes bad with words, and you said what I was trying to say. You make alot of sense, and I think some people thought I was attaching the 5D with this post, which I was not. Im just not sure that it is worth the 4000+ I was going to put into it to get results that I can get right now.
Message edited by author 2007-01-23 02:41:28.
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