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01/15/2007 10:51:46 PM · #1 |
Hullo
This is for those of you who use RawShooter Essentials to convert your raw files.
Everytime I open a file and the first couple seconds I view it, it looks very nicely contrasted and saturated right from the start. Then this goes away and I am left with a dull file to do my conversions on.
Is there any preference to keep the file that contrasted, first version for a conversion? It is easy to replicate in photoshop but would save a lot of time in huge batch pictures
shanks
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01/15/2007 11:22:21 PM · #2 |
Joey...I don't have that problem. I use Adobe RAW, Rawshooters and DPP for my RAW images depending on the image. But I have to admitt that 99% of my RAW work is all done in DPP.
Sorry...wish I could help.
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01/15/2007 11:25:16 PM · #3 |
From what I understand, what you see initially is a jpeg thumbnail embedded within the raw file. It was put there by the camera using the settings that you had in effect at the time the image was captured.
What you see after that thumbnail goes away is RSE's attempt at interpreting the raw data. Of course, you haven't yet tweaked RSE's settings, so the resulting initial image is very "plain". In order to get the image back to looking like it did originally, you would need to emulate your in-camera settings ... adjusting contrast, saturation, sharpness, etc.
I have some initial settings in RSP (I use RawShooter Premium instead of Essentials and am not sure if the same option is available in RSE) which I have stored. My settings are found in the "Appearance" drop-down box which normally contains the items "Normal", "Medium", and "Strong". I apply my saved settings to all of my images when I first open them. That gives me a starting point. Then I tweak from there.
That's about as close as I can come to getting the initial jpeg. But I feel that my final output is much better than the initial jpeg. So that's why I stick to shooting raw.
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01/15/2007 11:26:25 PM · #4 |
Sorry...remind me again what DPP is please?
Originally posted by Judi:
Joey...I don't have that problem. I use Adobe RAW, Rawshooters and DPP for my RAW images depending on the image. But I have to admitt that 99% of my RAW work is all done in DPP.
Sorry...wish I could help. |
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01/15/2007 11:30:04 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Sorry...remind me again what DPP is please?
Originally posted by Judi:
Joey...I don't have that problem. I use Adobe RAW, Rawshooters and DPP for my RAW images depending on the image. But I have to admitt that 99% of my RAW work is all done in DPP.
Sorry...wish I could help. |
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Digital Photo Professional...only available for the supremest of all cameras....they are.....(looking around)....don't tell anyone....they are...for......CANON!!!
Hehehehehe!!
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01/16/2007 12:08:03 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
From what I understand, what you see initially is a jpeg thumbnail embedded within the raw file. It was put there by the camera using the settings that you had in effect at the time the image was captured. |
I have never seen details on the embedded image but I don't think it's based on the settings. It seems to be fixed rather than changing on the settings. |
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01/16/2007 12:11:10 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by robs:
Originally posted by dwterry:
From what I understand, what you see initially is a jpeg thumbnail embedded within the raw file. It was put there by the camera using the settings that you had in effect at the time the image was captured. |
I have never seen details on the embedded image but I don't think it's based on the settings. It seems to be fixed rather than changing on the settings. |
I don't think so. Because that initial thumbnail is immediate, before RS has had a chance to read the RAW file. You can see how long it takes to read the raw files by how slowly it gets around to updating each of the thumbnails.
Message edited by author 2007-01-16 00:21:01.
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01/16/2007 12:20:41 AM · #8 |
I found where I read about this issue last year:
Color change from initial thumbnail
Here is a short extract from the above thread:
The thumbnails and the big image shown the first seconds are the built-in JPGs in the RAW file. Ie the cameras interpretation of a decent image.
What RSP shows you after that is the actual RAW file, adjusted to what RSP thinks is a good starting point for further editing. And unlike most other RAW converters, RSP always starts with a totally unadjusted setting here instead of trying to make it look good or like the cameras JPG interpretation for example.
So you will have to work on the image to make it look decent in RSP. (I have a default set of settings that I always copy to all new images, to make them closer to the in-camera JPGs. For example, for the 5D images to look more like the built-in JPG Neutral as a starting point: SC+10 HC-30 SAT-30 Levels: 0 set to 25 and gamma to 0.82, all saved as a Custom Appearance in RSP)
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01/16/2007 12:21:14 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
I don't think so. Because that initial thumbnail is immediate, before RS has had a chance to read the RAW file. You can see how long it takes to read the raw files but how slowly it gets around to updating each of the thumbnails. |
Sorry, My bad on the words. It's certainly using the embedded image in the RAW file for initial display and then swapping to the RSp/e processed output after a while (which is a lot flatter). I am doubting that the embedded JPG is processed with the in camera JPG parms (which are customisable). I suspect it's generated with a fixed set of parms which are independent of the parm settings in the camera. |
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01/16/2007 12:22:49 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Sorry...remind me again what DPP is please?
Originally posted by Judi:
Joey...I don't have that problem. I use Adobe RAW, Rawshooters and DPP for my RAW images depending on the image. But I have to admitt that 99% of my RAW work is all done in DPP.
Sorry...wish I could help. |
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Digital Photo Professional...only available for the supremest of all cameras....they are.....(looking around)....don't tell anyone....they are...for......CANON!!!
Hehehehehe!! |
Now you started it. Give me Nikon Capture NX any day of the week. :) |
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01/16/2007 12:26:30 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by robs:
I am doubting that the embedded JPG is processed with the in camera JPG parms (which are customisable). I suspect it's generated with a fixed set of parms which are independent of the parm settings in the camera. |
Ah. Very good question!
I suppose there's an easy way to find out. Take several pictures of the same scene with different in-camera settings (most obvious would be white balance or contrast) and then watch the thumbnails as they load. Gotta watch quick for differences though cause RSE/P is pretty fast! :-)
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01/16/2007 12:32:00 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Now you started it. Give me Nikon Capture NX any day of the week. :) |
Nup....I use Rawshooters for my Nikon. So nerrrrrrrrrrrrr...........!!!!!!!!!!
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01/16/2007 12:34:35 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Nup....I use Rawshooters for my Nikon. So nerrrrrrrrrrrrr...........!!!!!!!!!! |
Well then you are missing out on the true Nikon fun. :) |
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01/16/2007 12:35:58 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
I suppose there's an easy way to find out. Take several pictures of the same scene with different in-camera settings (most obvious would be white balance or contrast) and then watch the thumbnails as they load. Gotta watch quick for differences though cause RSE/P is pretty fast! :-) |
I was thinking swapping the internal JPG to B+W cause it will be VERY obvious if the initial image will be colour or not :-)) I will have a play tomorrow night and repost cause now I am curious :-) - I just never bothered cause I only shoot RAW, so it never really mattered. |
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01/16/2007 09:30:20 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Digital Photo Professional...only available for the supremest of all cameras....they are.....(looking around)....don't tell anyone....they are...for......CANON!!!
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So why don't you just donate that useless Nikon of yours to um.... ME!
:)
Since you like C and I like N... |
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01/21/2007 08:35:10 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by robs:
Originally posted by dwterry:
I suppose there's an easy way to find out. Take several pictures of the same scene with different in-camera settings (most obvious would be white balance or contrast) and then watch the thumbnails as they load. Gotta watch quick for differences though cause RSE/P is pretty fast! :-) |
I was thinking swapping the internal JPG to B+W cause it will be VERY obvious if the initial image will be colour or not :-)) I will have a play tomorrow night and repost cause now I am curious :-) - I just never bothered cause I only shoot RAW, so it never really mattered. |
Must be making stuff up - shoot with B&W and the initial thumb is B&W - obviously flips to colour once RSP has processed the file.
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01/21/2007 09:08:40 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
Digital Photo Professional...only available for the supremest of all cameras....they are.....(looking around)....don't tell anyone....they are...for......CANON!!!
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So why don't you just donate that useless Nikon of yours to um.... ME!
:)
Since you like C and I like N... |
Ahhh...yes you are right...I do prefer Canon...Nikon is a lightweight. I only bought the D70s to do the coloured IR...lol!!
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01/21/2007 09:15:47 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Judi:
...Nikon is a lightweight. |
Ooh. Them's fighting words. Now I'm gonna have to burn YOUR village.
:) |
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01/21/2007 09:35:19 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
...Nikon is a lightweight. |
Ooh. Them's fighting words. Now I'm gonna have to burn YOUR village.
:) |
Bring it on!!!!!
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01/21/2007 09:44:01 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
...Nikon is a lightweight. |
Ooh. Them's fighting words. Now I'm gonna have to burn YOUR village.
:) |
Bring it on!!!!! |
Of course, I will need to rescue the Nikon beforen I goen burning things... Might give you a minute or two for escaping. |
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01/21/2007 09:44:51 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
...Nikon is a lightweight. |
Ooh. Them's fighting words. Now I'm gonna have to burn YOUR village.
:) |
Bring it on!!!!! |
Of course, I will need to rescue the Nikon beforen I goen burning things... Might give you a minute or two for escaping. |
Oh gee aren't you kind. Now tell me are you up for a challenge...then let me know and I will move this off topic chat to an appropriate thread.
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01/21/2007 09:48:48 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
...Nikon is a lightweight. |
Ooh. Them's fighting words. Now I'm gonna have to burn YOUR village.
:) |
Bring it on!!!!! |
Of course, I will need to rescue the Nikon beforen I goen burning things... Might give you a minute or two for escaping. |
Oh gee aren't you kind. Now tell me are you up for a challenge...then let me know and I will move this off topic chat to an appropriate thread. |
Goodness, no. No challenges for this wimpy photog. I know when I'm whipped by superior skill and talent. :(
Maybe someday I'll evolve out of the photographic ice ages to at least a Neanderthal stage, but for now, I just can't fight with the big boys. Or girls either, it would appear.
[/hijack], so sorry. |
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01/21/2007 10:07:26 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by Judi:
...Nikon is a lightweight. |
Ooh. Them's fighting words. Now I'm gonna have to burn YOUR village.
:) |
Bring it on!!!!! |
Of course, I will need to rescue the Nikon beforen I goen burning things... Might give you a minute or two for escaping. |
Oh gee aren't you kind. Now tell me are you up for a challenge...then let me know and I will move this off topic chat to an appropriate thread. |
No offence judi , but everyone knows that nikon are # 1 and canon are # 2, you are just jealous of us chosen ones with nikons:P |
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01/21/2007 10:09:20 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by zaflabout:
No offence judi , but everyone knows that nikon are # 1 and canon are # 2, you are just jealous of us chosen ones with nikons:P |
You Nikonians make me laugh....I have a Nikon...so I can say this...the only thing Nikon is good for is to sit on the shelf in a toy store.
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01/21/2007 10:11:01 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by zaflabout:
No offence judi , but everyone knows that nikon are # 1 and canon are # 2, you are just jealous of us chosen ones with nikons:P |
You Nikonians make me laugh....I have a Nikon...so I can say this...the only thing Nikon is good for is to sit on the shelf in a toy store. |
hahahahha,
well maybe you just don't know how to use it:P |
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