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01/20/2007 02:11:11 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
I agree, but for many of these animals, the zoo is their natural habitat, being born and bred there. Providing the photo is not taken including chain link fencing, it would be hard to tell the difference. Also, for some species, a zoo is the only place where they can be found, being extinct in the 'true' wild. |
From the perspective of the individual animal you are right, from that of the species I would disagree. Regardless which interpretation you choose, if you can carry it off so that the viewer can't tell the difference, go for it. But my guess from my short time here is that if people can tell its a zoo shot (or even suspect its a zoo shot ... see motion panning II!), you'll get hammered. |
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01/20/2007 03:44:27 PM · #77 |
| If I see a for sure zoo shot in this challenge it's getting a 1 from me, a zoo is NOT an animal's natural environment. It's easy to go to a zoo and come back with a memory card full of excellent shots that could all finish in the top 10. If you go out looking for animals in their natural environment trying to photograph TRUE wildlife, it's much harder and much more rewarding. |
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01/20/2007 04:27:12 PM · #78 |
I am not going to submit a zoo photo, was just putting forward a word for those who live in urban area with no real access to the wilds. I have no problem as I live and work in a rural area where wildlife is abundant. Problem is, I don't have my camera yet, so I will not be taking part.
However, this is my sort of territory and it sucks that I have to miss out again! Still, there is always next time. |
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01/20/2007 05:12:04 PM · #79 |
| I give up! I spent all morning out looking for ANY wild mammal in a nature preserve and not a thing stirred! The eagles don't arrive till next week! Even if you were lucky enough to get close to one with my short little lens! I'm frozen and frustrated. |
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01/20/2007 08:30:38 PM · #80 |
Hi,
I know it's advanced editing but I just want to assure that can I heal & clone distracting bush around the animal?
Regards,
Nilesh.
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01/20/2007 09:38:35 PM · #81 |
Wellll. . . .as much as I love my zoo animals (they practically seem like pets to me now -- they wag their tails and run up to me when I walk up :) -- just kidding) but I do think the challenge description seems pretty clear that they want your submission not to be from a zoo.
There's not a whole lot of exotic wildlife in Texas -- especially now when its been rainy and icy for over a week -- but -- I actually found one and am hoping it's got enough pizzaz to score good.
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01/21/2007 09:50:42 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by Tlemetry:
I give up! I spent all morning out looking for ANY wild mammal in a nature preserve and not a thing stirred! The eagles don't arrive till next week! Even if you were lucky enough to get close to one with my short little lens! I'm frozen and frustrated. |
I know where the eagles are :-p I've been to county, state and national wildlife refuges this week in search of eagles and finally found them yesterday. I'm not entering a picture of one, because they were wa-a-a-a-a-y up in the sky, so I have lovely pictures of eagle specks. Clearly bald eagle specks with those nice white heads and tails, but specks nonetheless. I actually saw at least a dozen yesterday, and as many as 5 or 6 at once. It was pretty awesome. AND, my husband now understands why I want a longer zoom! |
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01/21/2007 12:39:58 PM · #83 |
I live in North London, its middle of winter, I suppose I could easily get a shot of the pigeons at Trafalgar Square, a good one should get 4+, I could go to the Zoo, but I would consider that cheating, the other obvious one would be the ducks and swans, by the river.
I decided on the latter being the best option, so went down to the River Lea, found a quiet spot and waited, I saw a water rat, but it was to quick, after just a few mins, there seemed to be lots of rustles in the bushes, loads of birds, mainly finches, I snapped a few bird shots, after an hour or so I started to feel cold, and came home, I have one shot that I like, so I had a good day, I don̢۪t expect a top score, but I had some fun, and had a go the challenge.
Re: the zoo comments.
If an animal is born and bred in a zoo, it is not a wild animal, and would probably not survive in the wild, the challenge is to go out and shoot a wild animal, going to the zoo, is an easy option, and in my view cheating, personally, I would not enter if I was not following the rules.
For the benefit of any one who looks and sees two dq̢۪s, in my profile, they were self reported, after I noticed the clock was wrong in my camera, I would not have entered had I noticed before.
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01/21/2007 01:12:50 PM · #84 |
What these Wildlife challenges do for all of us is demonstrate how hard it is to get great "wild" shots. That is why there are only a limited number of truly great nature / wildlife photographers out there.
I live in the NW where there is opportunity and I still had to spend multiple days (full days) and miles in my car and on foot to get a shot. Even then it is clearly not my best. I could not control the weather in the limited time we have so was out in very poor light, even snow storms. The result is a shot at high ISO, lower shutter speed and long zoom, not a great combo for a top notch shot.
But as others in this thread have said it was worth the experience and money I spent traveling. Getting out in nature is why this is my favorite type of photography.
So as for zoos ... they are fun and great practice shooting animals but they are not even close to the challenge of getting out there.
Message edited by author 2007-01-21 13:14:11. |
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01/21/2007 01:22:47 PM · #85 |
| So many of you forget, insects, fungi, flowers, trees and other things that live in the wild are wildlife (wild-life). I would not vote down a macro of a slime mold or fungus on a fruit. But I would vote down an easy shot of a lion, eagle, or bear in a zoo ar raptor rehab center, especially if shows a non-native back ground or band around its leg. Just go to a friends bird feeder, a city park, downtown pigeon roost, or your basement for a spider. Just my natural history thoughts. Van |
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01/21/2007 01:34:11 PM · #86 |
Should be interesting. How many DNMC votes that might be given because it may appear its a zoo shot, yet taken in the wild or refuge. Just remember some of us have long lens with converters....Lol Maybe a bird shot would me safer.
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01/21/2007 01:39:47 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
So many of you forget, insects, fungi, flowers, trees and other things that live in the wild are wildlife (wild-life). I would not vote down a macro of a slime mold or fungus on a fruit. But I would vote down an easy shot of a lion, eagle, or bear in a zoo ar raptor rehab center, especially if shows a non-native back ground or band around its leg. Just go to a friends bird feeder, a city park, downtown pigeon roost, or your basement for a spider. Just my natural history thoughts. Van |
Sorry, but this is the description of the challenge:
For the purpose of this challenge, "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment.
Don't see insects, fungi, flowers, etc in there. Now if it was the broader topic of nature then you would have it. |
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01/21/2007 01:48:38 PM · #88 |
| Note to Self; Do not procrastinate! I was too tired to go out yesterday when it was bright and sunny. I had just finished a 6pm to 6am shift. Today I had to shoot in extreme cold and overcast conditions, but I was well rested. There were lots of wild animals about, but low light, and high ISO made many of them so-so. |
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01/21/2007 01:53:19 PM · #89 |
This happened yesterday, but it's not in the wild. He's 4 months old, and just finished his bottle.
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01/21/2007 01:53:59 PM · #90 |
| In my 35 years as a wildlife biologist, I haven't seen many domesticated insects, but maybe a flea circus would be considered one species. Look at National Wildlife Magazine. They cover all living creatures, plant, slime mold, animal, fungi, protozoa, and even bacteria occasionally. To me, wildlife can be anything living and surviving in the wild without domestication or caging. Yes a plant, tree, flower, etc... may be stretching the challenge, but it is wildlife. This challenge is quite open for all species; some may not commonly considered "wildlife", but to me, this includes spiders, insects, and maybe even flora (a venus fly-trap is a predator in its own way). Van |
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01/21/2007 03:52:39 PM · #91 |
Well, what about wildlife sanctuaries, where there is some human intervention, but generally the critters are left alone? We have some very nice sanctuaries around here. Is that considered not wild because it has been set aside for various species that may not be from around here, but can live in our environmental conditions? I took a road trip to some of these sanctuaries, got some great shots, and have entered one. It will stay even if purists believe I have to go to the animals natural country to get it.
One more thing. If people submit birds that are fed in feeders, how can that be considered totally wild and in a natural environment? I will not be scoring any images that show feeders very high, so if you take backyard bird shots, you best not submit any with bird feeders, or even seed, anywhere visible in the shot.
Wildlife, seed, score 1 (or is it)
And to be really picky, if you throw bread in a stream to attract ducks, 1. Lets see how more picky we can get? Well, hmmm, oh yeh, flying gulls against a sky. How do I know you just didn't go to a parking lot, waited a minute for one to fly by, and snap, you got a perfectly exposed and detailed photo.
Anybody else want to give us some more really picky requirements for this challenge?
Message edited by author 2007-01-21 16:08:21. |
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01/21/2007 05:12:37 PM · #92 |
| In the airs of allowing others to revel in Ribbondom I have opted to not enter my sasquatch photo in the challenge. YW. |
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01/21/2007 06:09:27 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
In the airs of allowing others to revel in Ribbondom I have opted to not enter my sasquatch photo in the challenge. YW. |
Oh...you are way too kind.
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01/21/2007 06:13:17 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by alfresco:
In the airs of allowing others to revel in Ribbondom I have opted to not enter my sasquatch photo in the challenge. YW. |
Oh...you are way too kind. |
I'm just trying to help, dingoes and wallabies just can't compete with bigfoot :P |
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01/21/2007 06:18:07 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
I'm just trying to help, dingoes and wallabies just can't compete with bigfoot :P |
Pfffft...yada yada!!
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01/21/2007 07:10:13 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
In my 35 years as a wildlife biologist, I haven't seen many domesticated insects, but maybe a flea circus would be considered one species. Look at National Wildlife Magazine. They cover all living creatures, plant, slime mold, animal, fungi, protozoa, and even bacteria occasionally. To me, wildlife can be anything living and surviving in the wild without domestication or caging. Yes a plant, tree, flower, etc... may be stretching the challenge, but it is wildlife. This challenge is quite open for all species; some may not commonly considered "wildlife", but to me, this includes spiders, insects, and maybe even flora (a venus fly-trap is a predator in its own way). Van |
Agreed. Just pointing out that the challenge description is limiting and you will get dinged for going outside the box. : )
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01/21/2007 07:19:37 PM · #97 |
| I froze my butt off for this. The wind chill was about eleventy-two below zero. All the sensible animals were holed up in their dens sipping hot cocoa. All that was left in my neighborhood were grey squirrels in little down parkas, but my hands wouldn't stop shaking enough for a clear shot. :-/ |
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01/21/2007 07:20:22 PM · #98 |
I tried and the best I could get was some sleeping ducks. Not much wildlife around here in the northeaster US. Plus it's only about 10 degrees outside, so standing around waiting for an animal is not very fun for me.
I need to pass on this challenge.
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01/21/2007 08:10:47 PM · #99 |
I am in, and happy with what I have taken.....
I so look forward to seeing everyones elses entries in this challenge.
I predict some amazing wildlife entries, from some of those countries that have the most amazing animals in the world.
All the best everyone.....
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01/21/2007 08:13:08 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by TonyT:
I tried and the best I could get was some sleeping ducks. Not much wildlife around here in the northeaster US. Plus it's only about 10 degrees outside, so standing around waiting for an animal is not very fun for me.
I need to pass on this challenge. |
I'll trade a wildlife shot for and entrance or an exit shot. I've got too many wildlife shots to choose from.
I've got shots of one animal narrowed down to two choices and I'm having a hard time making a decision. What's the rules on asking someone to look them over to help me decide if they promise not to vote on it? |
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