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 01/18/2007 12:27:25 PM · #51
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by biteme:
how much is one gallon? one liter?


A little less than 3.8 liters.

You can get the exact number by typing '1 gallon in liters' (without quotes) into Google.

~Terry


sorry.. forgot about google. but thank you too :)
 01/18/2007 01:23:17 PM · #52
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by legalbeagle:
[quote=ClubJuggle] If your electrolytes are low, you are likely to crave salt, and salty foods will taste unusually good to you.


Is this right? I thought that salt was unique in being critical to survival but not triggering any relevant brain functions when stocks are low. While cows desire salt when they are low (hence a salt lick), people do not and will die without realising that there is a deficiency.


I don't have data to contradict you, but I can tell you that when I train for my marathons, I get HUGE salt cravings. After long runs I can't tell you how good french onion soup out of a can tastes, or a whole bag of lime chip doritos.
 01/18/2007 01:51:22 PM · #53
I would say any craving would usually indicate that your body needs something that is contained in whatever you are craving.
 01/18/2007 03:18:35 PM · #54
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
I don't know that the dangers are that well known. I'm trained and certified in first aid and I had never heard of this before. I doubt that 10% of people have heard of it. Most likely, the deceased did not know about water intoxication, or at least that she could die from it...


I find that very strange indeed. It was part of the scouting first aid and beginning EMT training courses I took as a kid and was even in my high school health class. Even considering most people aren't in scouts and slept through health class you then have the almost yearly articles in the newspapers about kids dieing in hazing rituals. This one from 2005 received a lot of press across the US and happened less than 2 hours away from Sacramento.
 01/18/2007 03:41:08 PM · #55
Originally posted by biteme:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by biteme:
how much is one gallon? one liter?


A little less than 3.8 liters.

You can get the exact number by typing '1 gallon in liters' (without quotes) into Google.

~Terry


sorry.. forgot about google. but thank you too :)


It would depend on the type of gallon!

Club Juggle is absolutely right with his figures when dealing with US gallons, but the figure is NOT the same when dealing with Imperial gallons which are used in Canada, the UK and most of the Commonwealth.

In the latter case, one Imperial gallond = 4.546 litres.

Ray
 01/18/2007 04:17:53 PM · #56
It gets sadily worse. Apparently the radio crew was warned by callers but shrugged it off.

//www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/17/wii_death_sackings/

01/18/2007 04:49:49 PM · #57
It gets worse when you hear the idiots in the recordings:

//www.sacbee.com/static/newsroom/kdndslides/
 01/18/2007 04:54:11 PM · #58
no, it gets worse when you read that the DA and the sheriff don't think there's anything for them to investigate...GRRRHH
 01/18/2007 04:59:19 PM · #59
Originally posted by skiprow:
no, it gets worse when you read that the DA and the sheriff don't think there's anything for them to investigate...GRRRHH


What's to investigate? She did it to herself of her own free will.
 01/18/2007 05:08:25 PM · #60
So who sues for wrongful death on behalf of the kids? If you've got kids, NEVER sign a dang release. If ya gotta sign a release to do it, DON'T DO IT!!!
 01/18/2007 05:10:04 PM · #61
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by skiprow:
no, it gets worse when you read that the DA and the sheriff don't think there's anything for them to investigate...GRRRHH


What's to investigate? She did it to herself of her own free will.


That's bullcrap. She was given medical advice by radio station personnel after she became ill. That person had no right to dispense medical advice. The radio station had no right to have such a contest without medical personnel on site. She was encouraged to drink water and APPARENTLY NOT ADVISED OF THE RISKS THAT THE DJS ADMIT THEY KNEW ABOUT.

That's negligence, my friend.
 01/18/2007 05:17:11 PM · #62
Originally posted by nards656:
That's bullcrap. She was given medical advice by radio station personnel after she became ill. That person had no right to dispense medical advice. The radio station had no right to have such a contest without medical personnel on site. She was encouraged to drink water and APPARENTLY NOT ADVISED OF THE RISKS THAT THE DJS ADMIT THEY KNEW ABOUT.

That's negligence, my friend.


As stupid as I think it all was, I'm sure neither you nor I has seen the release form. Who knows what it said?
 01/18/2007 05:20:15 PM · #63
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by nards656:
That's bullcrap. She was given medical advice by radio station personnel after she became ill. That person had no right to dispense medical advice. The radio station had no right to have such a contest without medical personnel on site. She was encouraged to drink water and APPARENTLY NOT ADVISED OF THE RISKS THAT THE DJS ADMIT THEY KNEW ABOUT.

That's negligence, my friend.


As stupid as I think it all was, I'm sure neither you nor I has seen the release form. Who knows what it said?


Admittedly true. However, IF A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED, a release form is irrelevant. If someone dies because of something you do, NO RELEASE FORM IN THE WORLD should keep the sheriff from knocking at your door. You're a doctor. You know that. You may not be CIVILLY liable, but CRIMINAL charges CANNOT be negated by a release form.

Note - caps for emphasis, not meaning to shout.

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 17:21:16.
 01/18/2007 05:24:34 PM · #64
The crime of suicide?
 01/18/2007 05:28:00 PM · #65
They played the clip of her talking to the radio announcer this morning on my local radio station. It's a bit eery to listen to. Apparently she had told them/someone that her head hurt really bad and they told her it would pass. She went home and that was it...

How sad. All over a stupid game.
 01/18/2007 05:32:00 PM · #66
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by biteme:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by biteme:
how much is one gallon? one liter?


A little less than 3.8 liters.

You can get the exact number by typing '1 gallon in liters' (without quotes) into Google.

~Terry


sorry.. forgot about google. but thank you too :)


It would depend on the type of gallon!

Club Juggle is absolutely right with his figures when dealing with US gallons, but the figure is NOT the same when dealing with Imperial gallons which are used in Canada, the UK and most of the Commonwealth.

In the latter case, one Imperial gallond = 4.546 litres.

Ray


True, but since the story took place in California I figured explaining all that was overkill. ;-)

~Terry

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 17:34:32.
 01/18/2007 05:33:03 PM · #67
IF - and I say IF - the announcer / intern performed actions which led to the lady's death, I am fairly certain that charges of manslaughter could be justified.

For instance, if someone comes to my home and I encourage them to participate in an activity which leads to their death - whether that encouragement is by offering a prize or even by intimidation - I am quite sure that there could be legal action against me, even if I had no intention of causing death. If I intentionally cause someone's death, that is clearly murder. I'm not saying that at all.

My point is that it is, in my opinion, totally inappropriate to say there is nothing to investigate, simply because she "killed herself". If it were indeed a suicide, I guarantee you that the insurance companies with whom she might have life insurance would LOUDLY insist on a complete police investigation, because a suicide means they don't have to pay out in most cases. SOMEONE performed something that caused her to die. This is NOT a death by natural causes. In the event of a death by causes other than natural causes, I believe it is entirely wrong for the law enforcement to say there is nothing to investigate.

And yes, in many states suicide IS a crime. That involves the police. They're ducking their job if they don't investigate.
 01/18/2007 05:42:49 PM · #68
I certainly agree that criminal charges can't be negated just by having someone sign something, but I still don't necessarily think that just because an action leads to a death that you are criminally responsible.

What if I was taking pictures along a road with a flash? The flash distracts someone who then plows into a guardrail and takes a header through the windshield. We can conclude that A led to B, but there is more to it for there to be a crime.

I'm not saying that there isn't a crime here, and I agree the sherrif was a little silly in quickly saying, "nothing to see", but who are you going to convict? All the DJs? The person who came up with the contest idea? The Producer? The CEO of the company? It just seems complex and hard to just jump and say someone was responsible enough to be guilty of a crime.
 01/18/2007 05:46:28 PM · #69
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
The crime of suicide?

i guess that's why court after court after court has determined that smoking is nothing more than long-term suicide, and that no one but the smokers are responsible for their eventual deaths ;-)

i imagine that sooner or later, they'll convene a grand jury to determine if charges should be brought; the charge of 'involuntary manslaughter' comes to mind...
01/18/2007 05:48:36 PM · #70
If her death were "accidental" I can see the police saying that there's nothing to investigate. Accidents, however unfortunate, do happen. This, IMO (note the IMO) was anything but accidental. The DJs were warned and did not heed the warnings. They had coercive power, in that they could award the prize. This lady did choose to participate, but there was coercion. I don't think that the release will hold up. There will at the very least be a large civil suit, and I would also expect criminal negligence charges.
The audio is heartrending. The DJs joking about someone dying, and just blowing off the sincere warning from the listener. Then on top of that, ignoring the young lady's symptoms. The end result is that three childern have lost a loving parent. Had anyone taken responsibility and even offered transport to get medical attention, the outcome could have been so much different.
 01/18/2007 05:50:32 PM · #71
The suicide comment was a joke but as long as you're going with it, suicide isn't a crime in California. Encouraging a suicide is a felony here. However I would classify the incident as an accident caused by her own stupidity and without need of investigation.
 01/18/2007 05:53:08 PM · #72
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I'm not saying that there isn't a crime here, and I agree the sherrif was a little silly in quickly saying, "nothing to see", but who are you going to convict? All the DJs? The person who came up with the contest idea? The Producer? The CEO of the company? It just seems complex and hard to just jump and say someone was responsible enough to be guilty of a crime.


In my opinion that's for the courts to decide, not the sheriff. If there MIGHT be a crime, it is his duty to investigate.

Obviously he's the sheriff and he knows the law much better than I do. That doesn't mean he's doing the right thing.

I'm not saying there is a crime. I'm simply saying someone died of unnatural causes. If the radio station is NOT at fault, it is in their best interest to have full disclosure and a full investigation at a public level. If they ARE at fault, it is the duty of the legal authorities to investigate to insure no criminal charges are necessary.

If there's no investigation, no one will ever be charged.

If there is an investigation, charges and prosecution, nothing will ever bring back those kids' mom.

My only hope is that regarding this as being something that radio stations should NOT sponsor can prevent another such tragedy in the future.

My personal belief is that the modern movement to "stunt radio" is not good radio and puts a lot of ideas out on the airwaves that are purely stupid. Saying "don't try this at home" only encourages wannabes, and radio stations want to hide behind waivers and warnings. We oughtta have some REAL concern for each other and some respect for good sense rather than just hiding behind "it's not my responsibility! She signed a waiver!!!!"
01/18/2007 05:55:27 PM · #73
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
The suicide comment was a joke but as long as you're going with it, suicide isn't a crime in California. Encouraging a suicide is a felony here. However I would classify the incident as an accident caused by her own stupidity and without need of investigation.


No offense, but this thread isn't a joking matter to me. I'll take it for what you intended, though, and leave it at that.

Stupidity? Wow. Without need of investigation? Wow. That's cold.

EDIT - removed an inconsiderate remark on my part.

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 17:59:26.
 01/18/2007 06:00:39 PM · #74
I'm not offended by you not wanting to be my friend. You could leave it in.
 01/18/2007 06:01:52 PM · #75
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
I'm not offended by you not wanting to be my friend. You could leave it in.


Whatever, I didn't want to be rude.
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