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01/18/2007 01:58:23 PM · #1 |
I heard many posts complain about the 1,2 vote trolls out there. Those don't really bother me, it just part of the fun. However, I wish we could do something about that darn 5 headed troll who always votes 5. You know who I mean and several you are probably guilty. You hit that 5 button over and over again till something peaks. The problem with this is not all fives are created equal.
I have recently started voting differently. Now instead of voting with 5 as the standard I vote with either a 4 or 6. I look at the photo and ask myself is this photo "slightly" above average or "below". I think it makes for a little more constructive voting. I still do give out the occassional 5, but those images in my mind are the utmost of average. Just as some of you hold on to your dear 10s, maybe you should rethink the same for the "average" 5. My fives are just as rare as my tens these days.
So I say, bring down the five headed troll. Don't let him take over dpchallenge.
Just something for thought. :)
EDIT: Since this is construing the whole idea of this topic the wrong way.
My intention was really never to say you can't vote 5. My point was more that I believe that "5" has ended being nothing more than the "Next" key. Maybe it is voter fatigue, but I am guilty of just hitting 5 over and over. I was just proposing what I am doing to change this. By not starting with a set notion of "5" I am actually engaging myself by looking at the photo more. Really, this wasn't meant more than to be a discussion of how to improve voting. Not neccessariling that 5 should be abolished. I know, I don't get my point across very well. It is definetly not meant to be a topic saying that people should or not not be average. I would expect things to follow a normal distribution curve and there is nothing wrong with being average.
Message edited by author 2007-01-19 12:14:21. |
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01/18/2007 02:01:47 PM · #2 |
I've carefully weighed what you just said and will now start voting using the 4-5 range instead. Thanks for the enlightenment!
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01/18/2007 02:02:24 PM · #3 |
uhhh.. that helps a bit since 5.5 is truly average on a scale of 1-10 :-)
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01/18/2007 02:03:28 PM · #4 |
I have pulled out all the keys on my keyboard number pad except for 5.
j/k ;P |
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01/18/2007 02:11:02 PM · #5 |
I agree with your comments here except that a scale of 5-6 would be more appropriate as the "average" vote is a 5.5
Thus, a 5 would be slightly below average and a 6 slightly above average |
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01/18/2007 02:13:55 PM · #6 |
| I think they should have this visual voting system here at DPC, sort of like those bead-organizers for kids, where you have to place all images on a continuum and then you have to shape the continuum to whatever bell shape you want. |
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01/18/2007 02:17:01 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by ursula:
I think they should have this visual voting system here at DPC, sort of like those bead-organizers for kids, where you have to place all images on a continuum and then you have to shape the continuum to whatever bell shape you want. |
Goodness... imagine doing that with 600 photos?
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01/18/2007 02:17:04 PM · #8 |
| If you guys (Site Council) monitor 1 votes, do you monitor 10 votes? |
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01/18/2007 02:18:10 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Shakalaka:
Originally posted by ursula:
I think they should have this visual voting system here at DPC, sort of like those bead-organizers for kids, where you have to place all images on a continuum and then you have to shape the continuum to whatever bell shape you want. |
Goodness... imagine doing that with 600 photos? |
Keep the trolls busy for a while :) |
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01/18/2007 02:21:35 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
If you guys (Site Council) monitor 1 votes, do you monitor 10 votes? |
This would be the good way to go: all votes of 10 are multiplied by the closest vowel to your username, in reverse order, where those users closest to "u" get their 10s multiplied by 5, "o" by 4, and so on. On top of that, all users with vowel names get 4 extra 10s. This is then included in the total score and used for the average.
:) |
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01/18/2007 02:22:45 PM · #11 |
I don't mind getting all 5's, but then leave a comment...
Comments don't help much if I end up scoring an 8.0 average, because there's not much you can tell me that would improve it, and if i was averaging a 3.0, then without anyone telling me anything I know that it stunk pretty awfully...
But in the mediocre 5.0 range: that's where I really need to know what to improve. It's halfway decent, but lacking... Ok. What is it lacking?
But I liked your idea, Jayson. I might only vote in 1's and 10's from now on... |
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01/18/2007 02:27:37 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
If you guys (Site Council) monitor 1 votes, do you monitor 10 votes? |
This would be the good way to go: all votes of 10 are multiplied by the closest vowel to your username, in reverse order, where those users closest to "u" get their 10s multiplied by 5, "o" by 4, and so on. On top of that, all users with vowel names get 4 extra 10s. This is then included in the total score and used for the average.
:) |
I think we should just get four extra tens per vowel, your scheme sounds too complex. :-)
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01/18/2007 02:28:47 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Tygerr:
I don't mind getting all 5's, but then leave a comment...
Comments don't help much if I end up scoring an 8.0 average, because there's not much you can tell me that would improve it, and if i was averaging a 3.0, then without anyone telling me anything I know that it stunk pretty awfully...
But in the mediocre 5.0 range: that's where I really need to know what to improve. It's halfway decent, but lacking... Ok. What is it lacking?
But I liked your idea, Jayson. I might only vote in 1's and 10's from now on... |
I agree. I've been trying to use the full scale lately, and also trying to comment on the full scale (on at least some images in all numbers). But there's going to be a bunching up to the middle no matter what.
The problem with commenting is that it is a lot safer to simply mention something you do like about the image, because, unless you're all glowy about your comments, quite a few people get offended, and claim that you don't get it, or whatever.
There's that old, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Now, I guess it could be debated, what's "nice"? Is it "nice" to just pat your friends on the back? Sometimes it is. Is it "nice" to mention things you think might help the photographer, even if those things are not pats on the back? Yes, it is, but many people don't take it that way. Oh well.
There have been numerous threads both on "people don't get my image" and on "comment anyway".
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01/18/2007 02:30:11 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Shakalaka:
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
If you guys (Site Council) monitor 1 votes, do you monitor 10 votes? |
This would be the good way to go: all votes of 10 are multiplied by the closest vowel to your username, in reverse order, where those users closest to "u" get their 10s multiplied by 5, "o" by 4, and so on. On top of that, all users with vowel names get 4 extra 10s. This is then included in the total score and used for the average.
:) |
I think we should just get four extra tens per vowel, your scheme sounds too complex. :-) |
Oh, no, it's simple, once the formula is down, nothing to it. :) |
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01/18/2007 02:31:17 PM · #15 |
how about for every user who has a "U" and "A" in their username?
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
If you guys (Site Council) monitor 1 votes, do you monitor 10 votes? |
This would be the good way to go: all votes of 10 are multiplied by the closest vowel to your username, in reverse order, where those users closest to "u" get their 10s multiplied by 5, "o" by 4, and so on. On top of that, all users with vowel names get 4 extra 10s. This is then included in the total score and used for the average.
:) |
Message edited by author 2007-01-18 14:32:03. |
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01/18/2007 02:32:22 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
how about for every user who has a "U" and "A" in there username?
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
If you guys (Site Council) monitor 1 votes, do you monitor 10 votes? |
This would be the good way to go: all votes of 10 are multiplied by the closest vowel to your username, in reverse order, where those users closest to "u" get their 10s multiplied by 5, "o" by 4, and so on. On top of that, all users with vowel names get 4 extra 10s. This is then included in the total score and used for the average.
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Yeah, that's a good one. I like it. |
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01/18/2007 02:34:21 PM · #17 |
| I'm sorry. I didn't realise that we were not allowed to vote 5s on photos. I shall go back and change them all to 1s. |
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01/18/2007 02:35:08 PM · #18 |
Shukalaku sounds too much like an Anime character :-(
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01/18/2007 02:38:43 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Shakalaka:
Shukalaku sounds too much like an Anime character :-( |
How about, Shakalakau, pronounced, sha-ka-la-kaaah-U. Has a good flow. |
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01/18/2007 02:41:10 PM · #20 |
| For some reason I keep thinking of "shake a latke". |
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01/18/2007 02:41:17 PM · #21 |
shakalaka reminds me of pee wees playhouse, remember? they said something like mickalicka hi licka hiney hole? am i off topic here?
Originally posted by Shakalaka:
Shukalaku sounds too much like an Anime character :-( |
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01/18/2007 02:44:27 PM · #22 |
I can see the way this is going. First there were the threads condemning 1 voters, then the 2 & 3 voters. Now it is the 5 voter with reference to the 10 voter as well. Perhaps we should all vote 7 on everything entered, then everybody who enters a challenge will win the Blue Ribbon and as a bonus, get the Brown Ribbon as well.
Let's leave the voting the way it is. |
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01/18/2007 02:47:03 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
Let's leave the voting the way it is. |
Love your new screen name :-)
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01/18/2007 02:47:37 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by mist:
I'm sorry. I didn't realise that we were not allowed to vote 5s on photos. I shall go back and change them all to 1s. |
Not sure if you are joking...
I never meant to say you or anyone else can't vote 5. Another way to look at it, at the end of the challenge 70% of your votes are 5 (not specifically naming you). So you are telling those images are still equal in your eyes? I am just suggesting people might want to rethink their voting patterns for a second. |
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01/18/2007 02:51:32 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ursula:
The problem with commenting is that it is a lot safer to simply mention something you do like about the image, because, unless you're all glowy about your comments, quite a few people get offended, and claim that you don't get it, or whatever.
There's that old, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Now, I guess it could be debated, what's "nice"? Is it "nice" to just pat your friends on the back? Sometimes it is. Is it "nice" to mention things you think might help the photographer, even if those things are not pats on the back? Yes, it is, but many people don't take it that way. Oh well.
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Feel free to send all comments my way even the negative ones.
My only pet peeve is the "Snapshot" comment without any other detail. :) |
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