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01/13/2007 06:57:26 PM · #1 |
You know its one of those moments where you kick yourself in the butt for not having a long lens. I walked outside this morning to feed my sons pet rabbits. I looked over in the neighbors yard and saw  I walked back inside and grabbed my 70-200 and the 1.4 TC. I then went back out and got as close as I could and took some shots. Still alot of crop so I snuck closer and closer, until I could almost fill the frame with him. Then I spooked him before I even got another shot off. The shot I posted is a heavy crop so I lost some detail but its still a decent web shot just cant be a big print. He flew off carrying the pidgeon with him like it was nothing. I watched him for a while though the viewfinder at a distance. But living in town you dont see a sight like that often at all and to not have reach just makes me mad! Ok my rant is over. But who wants to send me a lens say 400-500mm? :-)
MattO
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01/13/2007 08:46:38 PM · #2 |
| Sorry, I can't help you with the lens, but I have a similar story. A few month ago when the weather was mild here, we had our two guinea pigs outside to let them graze on the grass in the backyard. They were covered with the detachable top portion of their travel cage, and had their two wooden hideaway houses inside for sun protection. My husband and son were close by, reading in the sunroom, and had a pretty good view of the guinea pigs, but weren't paying particularly close attention. Well, I happened to step outside the backdoor for a just a moment when I noticed something odd in my peripheral vision. I looked over to my right, and perched on the back of one of the adirondack chairs was a huge hawk, glaring down at out little pets who were about four feet away from it. I immediately clapped my hands together really loudly to scare it away, but it didn't budge, just cocked its head at me. Then I realized what a great photo op I had, and after quickly assessing how long it would take me to grab my camera vs. the time it might take the hawk to attempt to lift off the cage top, I figured that I had the slight edge. I ran into the sunroom with the camera in hand where I could get a shot from about three feet away. I whispered to my husband and son, "Hey look, there's a hawk outside." They both looked up to the sky, expecting to see one circling around, but as soon as my husband noticed it on the chair, he tore open the door and created such a ruckus (practically tackling the bird) that it finally relinquished its perch. If only he had given me a few seconds, I could have had that shot! My only consolation was knowing that I wouldn't have to live with the guilt or work through the trauma of having my son see his pet guinea pig being carried away by a large bird of prey. Needless to say, we're a bit more careful now about having the guinea pigs outdoors! |
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01/13/2007 08:52:51 PM · #3 |
| So about how many yards away was it? |
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01/13/2007 08:56:12 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by ErinM:
Sorry, I can't help you with the lens, but I have a similar story. A few month ago when the weather was mild here, we had our two guinea pigs outside to let them graze on the grass in the backyard. They were covered with the detachable top portion of their travel cage, and had their two wooden hideaway houses inside for sun protection. My husband and son were close by, reading in the sunroom, and had a pretty good view of the guinea pigs, but weren't paying particularly close attention. Well, I happened to step outside the backdoor for a just a moment when I noticed something odd in my peripheral vision. I looked over to my right, and perched on the back of one of the adirondack chairs was a huge hawk, glaring down at out little pets who were about four feet away from it. I immediately clapped my hands together really loudly to scare it away, but it didn't budge, just cocked its head at me. Then I realized what a great photo op I had, and after quickly assessing how long it would take me to grab my camera vs. the time it might take the hawk to attempt to lift off the cage top, I figured that I had the slight edge. I ran into the sunroom with the camera in hand where I could get a shot from about three feet away. I whispered to my husband and son, "Hey look, there's a hawk outside." They both looked up to the sky, expecting to see one circling around, but as soon as my husband noticed it on the chair, he tore open the door and created such a ruckus (practically tackling the bird) that it finally relinquished its perch. If only he had given me a few seconds, I could have had that shot! My only consolation was knowing that I wouldn't have to live with the guilt or work through the trauma of having my son see his pet guinea pig being carried away by a large bird of prey. Needless to say, we're a bit more careful now about having the guinea pigs outdoors! |
Guinea Pig with Bigma @500mm
Message edited by author 2007-01-13 20:56:32.
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01/13/2007 09:08:40 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
So about how many yards away was it? |
Well the shot that I edited was about 75-100 feet away. When I finally got him to fill the frame I was about 15 feet from him, when I snuck across the street I stayed behind a car so he couldnt see me. When I stuck my head with the camera around the car to shoot him he picked up the pidgeon and flew away before I got a shot off.
MattO
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01/13/2007 09:13:39 PM · #6 |
Looks like a job for the Canon 1200mm ;-)
But all creatures fear that lens so I guess it wouldn't have worked anyways.. |
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01/13/2007 10:01:54 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by ignite:
Looks like a job for the Canon 1200mm ;-)
But all creatures fear that lens so I guess it wouldn't have worked anyways.. |
1200 in use
16.5 Kg (about 40lbs) and about $110,000.
Message edited by author 2007-01-13 22:03:26. |
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01/13/2007 10:47:56 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by p3wiz:
Originally posted by ignite:
Looks like a job for the Canon 1200mm ;-)
But all creatures fear that lens so I guess it wouldn't have worked anyways.. |
1200 in use
16.5 Kg (about 40lbs) and about $110,000. |
Max aperture 5.6? Not worth it..
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01/13/2007 10:53:38 PM · #9 |
| Interestingly, a 500/4 plus a 1.4x converter on an APS-C cam will give an 1120mm-like FOV, at... yo guessed it, f/5.6. Hand holdable! |
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01/14/2007 01:19:43 AM · #10 |
I bet the AF on that bad boy EATS camera batteries.
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01/14/2007 02:00:58 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Interestingly, a 500/4 plus a 1.4x converter on an APS-C cam will give an 1120mm-like FOV, at... yo guessed it, f/5.6. Hand holdable! |
You know, ever since I figured out what the crop factor "35mm equivalence" thing was, it has irritated me. It doesn't get you anything like a 1120mm... it just reduces what you can see, not how close you can get to the subject. It's a very very bad use.
A 500mm lens on an APS-C and a 500mm lens on a full-frame get you the same zoom. The APS-C just has less frame. With the 1.4x teleconverter you get a 700mm zoom.
Typo: 1.4x, not 1.5x
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01/14/2007 03:05:19 AM · #12 |
Anything over the 400mmm 5.6 , be prepared to spend lotsa,lotsa,lotsa money
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01/14/2007 07:04:38 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by MattO:
I walked outside this morning to feed my sons pet rabbits. |
Seriously, USE APOSTROPHES!!!
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01/14/2007 09:58:33 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Interestingly, a 500/4 plus a 1.4x converter on an APS-C cam will give an 1120mm-like FOV, at... yo guessed it, f/5.6. Hand holdable! |
You know, ever since I figured out what the crop factor "35mm equivalence" thing was, it has irritated me.... |
I believe I know what you mean there, Jay, but as a bit of friendly advice, I suggest that you not make a habit of challenging Mr. kirbic when it comes to technical knowledge, etc! First off, his assertion is carefully stated: "...an 1120mm-like FOV..." and secondly, his expertise and knowledge are really unassailable.
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01/14/2007 10:00:42 AM · #15 |
| Great shot MattO! Sooo jealous of your opportunity, I am a big fan of birds of prey. Left you a comment, too. |
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01/14/2007 04:47:37 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
It doesn't get you anything like a 1120mm... it just reduces what you can see, not how close you can get to the subject. It's a very very bad use. |
Huh? What you see in the viewfinder is what the sensor records (+/- a few degrees), so resized to the same size, a crop sensor will have a more narrow field of view than a full frame sensor, which does increase the size of the subject so you could be farther away...
A 100mm lens on a crop body will record the same image as a 160mm on a full frame. If you took the same lens and pointed it at a postcard and got close enough to fill the frame with both, you'd end up being farther away with the crop body, because it acts like a longer focal length.
MattO - The 500/4's only 5 grand, start saving... :p |
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