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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:19:58 PM · #1 | 
		| | I finally get to jump into the world of DSLR next month. Now comes the time to pick a camera. I am partial to Canon. I have priced the XT, XTi and 20D. And I would like to get a 70-300mm lens and possibly one other lens. Is the dust cleaning feature on an XTi really worth the extra expense. And would a 20D be a too large of jump for someone just starting out with DSLR? Any suggestions on a third lens other than the kit lens and the 70-300mm would be great. 
 Thank you in advance
 Ryan
 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:25:13 PM · #2 | 
		| | My opinion: 
 Go with the XT or a used 20D.  Plenty of camera for a beginner and the money saved can go toward a good lens.
 
 A lot suggest the 50mm 1.8 about $80
 
 It is a good lens.  But if you save the money and buy the XT or a used 20D buy the 85mm 1.8about $300
 
 It is worth the extra cost.
 
 Message edited by author 2007-01-07 19:25:58.
 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:26:48 PM · #3 | 
		| | You will still get dust on the sensor with the XTi - possibly not as much but still enough to be annoying. | 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:41:07 PM · #4 | 
		| | Get the cheap body and spend the extra on good glass. Bodies come and go. Good lenses will last forever. 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:43:27 PM · #5 | 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:44:52 PM · #6 | 
		| | | Originally posted by quiet_observation: Skip the kit lens.
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 I think it is actually a good lens. Get it.  If you get a 70-300 it will suck to not get wide like 18mm.  It is a very good lens if you know how to use it.
 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:46:52 PM · #7 | 
		| | | Originally posted by rex: 
 | Originally posted by quiet_observation: Skip the kit lens.
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 I think it is actually a good lens. Get it.  If you get a 70-300 it will suck to not get wide like 18mm.  It is a very good lens if you know how to use it.
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 I agree. Nothing wrong with the kit lens if you use it right.
 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:49:32 PM · #8 | 
		| | I was looking at getting the 70-300mm for the long reach since I have alot of wildlife opportunties right in my back yard. Some of the shots will be at a good distance. | 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:52:04 PM · #9 | 
		| | ok so get: 
 Rebel XT or a used 20D w/kit lens: $800
 70-300 Sigma: $150
 50mm 1.8: $80
 4 Gig card: $80
 
 Total: $1150
 
 My prices are estimate I have not done research.
 
 Message edited by author 2007-01-07 19:52:11.
 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 07:57:50 PM · #10 | 
		| | How much cash you plan on spending? $1000  $1500  If your budget is $1000 get the XT and the lenses you spoke of. If $1500 is your budget then I would get the 20D with the kit lens for $1050 and the other lenses. That's just me though. 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 08:06:13 PM · #11 | 
		| | | Originally posted by NstiG8tr: I agree. Nothing wrong with the kit lens if you use it right.
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 I like the kit lens, but if I had my way, I'd be using the EF-S 17-85mm IS USM instead.  Covers the same wide-angle range, plus some extra length and much better focusing (and IS!)...
 
 Santa failed me on that one, this year.
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			|  | 01/07/2007 08:08:15 PM · #12 | 
		| | The xti has the 2.5 inch LCD. I had the 10D which had the same size LCD as the 20D. I can tell you that having that 2.5 LCD is a HUGE advantage. I can really see whether or not my shot is sharp and focused by just checking the short after shot preview. I wouldn't buy the xti before the 20D any day of the week based upon the size of the LCD 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 08:26:26 PM · #13 | 
		| | | Originally posted by rex: ok so get:
 
 Rebel XT or a used 20D w/kit lens: $800
 70-300 Sigma: $150
 50mm 1.8: $80
 4 Gig card: $80
 
 Total: $1150
 
 My prices are estimate I have not done research.
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 Rebel XT w/kit lens is currently about $600. Most people suggest getting the APO version of the Sigma and that runs a bit over $200. Ditto on the 50mm. B&H has the Sandisk 4GB Ultra II CF cards for $64.
 
 Total : ~$950
 
 Message edited by author 2007-01-07 20:27:14.
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			|  | 01/07/2007 11:32:06 PM · #14 | 
		| | Buy the cheapest camera you can buy and splurge on the lenses. 
 Don't waist your time or money on kit lenses and skip the 70-300.  Also, don't invest in the EF-S lenses either.  I'm hoping Canon will come out soon with a sub $1,000 full frame digital camera.
 
 Buy the 50mm it's a great lense and cheap.  You'll also need something wide, so look at the 28mm or 24mm.  If you're not into primes check out the 28-135 with IS.  Everyone raves about this one.
 
 Then start saving up your money for L glass.  Get either the 17-40mm or 70-200mm to start.
 
 Remember, it's not the camera, but the lenses that make the picture.
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			|  | 01/07/2007 11:33:25 PM · #15 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Nullix: 
 Remember, it's not the camera, but the lenses that make the picture.
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 It is not the lenses either.  It is the Photographer.
 
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			|  | 01/07/2007 11:45:39 PM · #16 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Nullix: 
 Don't waist your time or money on kit lenses and skip the 70-300.  Also, don't invest in the EF-S lenses either.  I'm hoping Canon will come out soon with a sub $1,000 full frame digital camera.
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 That's inconceivable :-) Those sensors are WAY more expensive to produce than the APS-C sensors. Plus FF cameras require MUCH more expensive glass for the same range of coverage. Where's the incentive, then, for a cheap FF camera?
 
 R.
 
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			|  | 01/08/2007 12:25:18 AM · #17 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Bear_Music: 
 | Originally posted by Nullix: 
 Don't waist your time or money on kit lenses and skip the 70-300.  Also, don't invest in the EF-S lenses either.  I'm hoping Canon will come out soon with a sub $1,000 full frame digital camera.
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 That's inconceivable :-)
 
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 "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
 --Inigo Montoya
 
 Canon came out with the first sub $1,000 DSLR.  The price of the FF camera is coming down.  I'm betting they'll do it with the FF camera.
 
 Canon EOS-1Ds $3,999.95
 Canon EOS 5D $2,789.95
 
 I'm waiting for the Canon EOS 3D FF for somewhere around $1,000
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			|  | 01/08/2007 12:29:05 AM · #18 | 
		| | I can't belive you guys got this guy spending all kinds of money. 
 This is the best advice you will ever get.  And I am not saying that because I am the one giving this advice.  Someone will chime in here and confirm what I am about to tell you.
 
 Go to the camera store.  Hold a Rebel XT, Rebel XTi, 20D, and a Nikon
 
 Buy what feels most comfortable in your hand.  I bought the Rebel XT without doing that and it was just too small.  I wasted my money.  The good side is my wife now has a camera.
 
 Message edited by author 2007-01-08 00:29:48.
 
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			|  | 01/08/2007 02:38:06 AM · #19 | 
		| | I agree, you've got to hold the cameras and try them to see which one suits. 
 I will, however, say that the larger LCD screen on the XTi (and, presumably, the 30D) is more useful for reviewing shots than that on the 20D.
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			|  | 01/08/2007 03:47:45 AM · #20 | 
		| | why would you beat a dead horse... thats just............. cruel! | 
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			|  | 01/08/2007 04:37:28 AM · #21 | 
		| | | Originally posted by kawana: why would you beat a dead horse... thats just............. cruel!
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			|  | 01/08/2007 04:39:58 AM · #22 | 
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			|  | 01/08/2007 04:47:29 AM · #23 | 
		| | *** Actually, asking for advice on equipment purchases is not a dead horse issue, since the situation is always unique to the one asking for advice *** 
 I withdraw my horsey.
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			|  | 01/08/2007 04:54:18 AM · #24 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Art Roflmao: *** Actually, asking for advice on equipment purchases is not a dead horse issue, since the situation is always unique to the one asking for advice ***
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 these questions pops-up rather frequently. maybe someone can compile the questions and break them into YES/NO answers, and slowly lead the person to the "logical" answer? :)
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			|  | 01/08/2007 05:32:17 AM · #25 | 
		| | | Originally posted by crayon: 
 | Originally posted by Art Roflmao: *** Actually, asking for advice on equipment purchases is not a dead horse issue, since the situation is always unique to the one asking for advice ***
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 these questions pops-up rather frequently. maybe someone can compile the questions and break them into YES/NO answers, and slowly lead the person to the "logical" answer? :)
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 can you say..........FLOW CHART!!! :-P
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