I am still astounded by.... - DPChallenge Forums

01/07/2007 06:13:25 PM · #1

I am still astounded by the fact that one person can rate a photo as a nine and another person rate that same photo as a two. *Shaking head*

Especially when the photo clearly meets the challenge entered.

I do believe in trolls. I do believe in trolls.

silverscreen

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/07/2007 06:14:42 PM · #2

Not again...

Nikon AF Nikkor 20mm f/2.8D

01/07/2007 06:22:11 PM · #3

So sorry. I know this has been discussed 1001 times. I just needed to vent. Very frustrating.

LanceW

Nikon Z9

01/07/2007 06:37:42 PM · #4

Originally posted by krafty1:

Yeah, what was that 9 voter thinking...

01/07/2007 06:40:30 PM · #5

Yeah, I thought I was a shoe in for the Brown until THAT bozo showed up ;P

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Nikon AF Nikkor 20mm f/2.8D

01/07/2007 06:44:04 PM · #6

Well...

We vote, say, on a shot showing of some tacky christmas decorations, complete with star-effects and a massive tri-coloured border with equally flashy post-processing, filtered ad adsurdum and, obviously, technically accomplished, even 'appropriately', when we consider quantitatively and the choices already made.

How would you vote?

And if we added a semi-nude female in red latex boots to the decorum?

Would this increase or decrease your rating?

And... could you imagine someone voting differently?

Message edited by author 2007-01-07 18:44:52.

LanceW

Nikon Z9

01/07/2007 06:44:43 PM · #7

;-) Actually, I'd like the voting to end right now in the Free Study. ;-) Tonights voters are in bad moods it appears.

01/07/2007 06:49:08 PM · #8

Actually, I think it is considered a commonly accepted practice to increase the score of any submission containing a semi-nude female in the red latex boots (by at least one point). :)

Message edited by author 2007-01-07 18:56:44.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

01/07/2007 06:56:33 PM · #9

Originally posted by krafty1:

Actually, I think it is considered a commonly accepted practice to increase the score of any submission (by at least one point) containing a semi-nude female in the red latex boots. :)

I reserve to buck that trend. The boots -1. Colour -1. Decorum -1. Star effect filter -1, and so on.

Dressed-up images rub me the wrong way. The same goes for trees at xmas.

01/07/2007 07:51:02 PM · #10

I personally don't ding photos for the choice of subject matter; Christmas trees in your example for instance. I first determine if the photo met the challenge. Then is it a good photo, sharp (if that was the obvious intent), good color; technicals included here. Next, was I emotionally impacted by the submission. Some photos are not pretty or crisp and clear but are as they are to evoke some emotion. I take this into consideration as an x-factor. Some photos are ugly on purpose, out of focus on purpose, etc. I find these to be some of the best photos in my opinion.

I may not like the picture of a dead bird on the side of the road but I would not vote it low just because of that. Did it meet the challenge, is it a good photo technically, does it have any x-factor. All aspects play into the final score.

ButterflySis

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

01/07/2007 07:56:20 PM · #11

Originally posted by krafty1:

Probably the same way some people love a movie and others hate it. The Hours was well rated and I hated it. That's just one example.

It doesn't mean the 2 voter was wrong.

It doesn't mean the 9 voter was right.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

01/07/2007 08:06:03 PM · #12

Originally posted by krafty1:

I'd 'ding' heavily for subject matter, if the shot had nothing else.
I couldn't care less, if the photo met the challenge. That's between the photographer and himself.
Neither do I care about technicals, 'cept for the way it relates content.

'Emotional impact' yes, although I wouldn't insist on 'impact'.
I'm on board with the 'ugly-out-of-focus', much of the time, but would insist on additional qualifyiers.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

01/07/2007 08:20:07 PM · #13

RE: Subject Matter - it's probably been said before: A technically perfect photo of a turd is still a photo of a turd.

Some don't like Woodies, Flowers, Water drops, Pets, Kids. Over-processing, Any processing, Nudes, sunsets, and on & on. Everybody has biases - that's a critical part of voting. Without it, we would all tie for first.

Also, while many claim not to ding for subject matter, they will often find other reasons to ding the photo that they otherwise would not have, or worse - they'll give a higher score to prove to themselves they are not "biased".

Silly, IMO. Silly, but to each his own. Nobody is wrong for voting low because of subject matter. Nobody is wrong for not voting low because of it. Nobody is wrong for voting any way they please or even for skipping photos they don't feel they want to vote on for whatever reason. The only voting practice I would object to is intentionally and admittedly inflating scores to "compensate for all the low scores I think you're gonna get". That is STOO---PID, IMO, and negatively impacts the system.

Note the excessive use of IMOs. Can't be too careful. :)

01/07/2007 08:23:26 PM · #14

So from your post I take it that you vote on every challenge as if it were a Free study? I could submit a photo of a waterfall to a "The Moon" challenge and there would be no impact on your score of that photo?

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

01/07/2007 08:27:32 PM · #15

Originally posted by krafty1:

I'm guessing that was meant for zeuszen?

...btw, if you zoom way in on that moon image, you can clearly see a waterfall right next to the Sea of Tranquility. ;-)

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/07/2007 08:27:57 PM · #16

Art...I seek only to understand...though I know in the end that I will not. That is where the frustration lies. Though zeuszen IS helping me understand why there is such a range of votes in any given challenge (I mean that in a good way).

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

01/07/2007 08:28:46 PM · #17

Originally posted by tooohip:

;-) Actually, I'd like the voting to end right now in the Free Study. ;-) Tonights voters are in bad moods it appears.

I agree!

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/07/2007 08:29:44 PM · #18

Originally posted by zeuszen:

I couldn't care less, if the photo met the challenge.

Art, you are correct.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

01/07/2007 08:30:34 PM · #19

Originally posted by krafty1:

I think that's pretty much what ZZ is saying :-) He has his own path. Perhaps the waterfall is named "Full Moon Falls", perhaps the shooter honeymooned at Niagara Falls? But ZZ is one heck of an appreciator of the more subtle, even more sophisticated, aspects of our art/craft. Browse his portfolio, if you haven't :-)

R.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

01/07/2007 08:31:43 PM · #20

Originally posted by krafty1:

Art...I seek only to understand...though I know in the end that I will not.

:/ actually, according to your post earlier, you seek to rant. :)

The reason for such a range of votes is painfully obvious - a range of voters. Now if it was just me voting on your image 187 times and the votes ranged from 2 to 9, I could definitely see you wanting to understand. :)