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 12/13/2006 03:54:15 PM · #26
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by breadfan35:
However, it will not happen anytime soon and Nikon's DX lens series works just fine for their 1.5 crop sensors.


And Nikon still has a boatload of normal F lenses that will work perfectly fine on a 35mm camera.


Agreed, but it still will not happen anytime soon IMO. Just like you said, they will do it, but not until the market is ready for it. And like I said, as they (FF cameras) get more afforable all around, that's when they'll do it. We are still a good 2-5 years from it I think.
 12/13/2006 03:56:59 PM · #27
It was refreshing to read the press release for the upcoming Fujifilm S5 Pro. Instead of jumping on the megapixel bandwagon, they've realised the importance of tonal range and noise.

"Using a unique layout of twelve million paired photodiodes (6.17 million larger ‘S’ photodiodes for main image information, combined with 6.17 million smaller ‘R’ photodiodes for bright area information), the S5 Pro will deliver improvements in noise, dynamic range, colour and tonality. Further improving the capability of the sensor, a new, improved low-pass filter will ensure that moiré and noise are kept to an absolute minimum. Fujifilm believes improvements in these key areas will be of more true value to professional photographers – the challenge is quality of information, not quantity of information.
 12/13/2006 03:57:49 PM · #28
Originally posted by breadfan35:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by breadfan35:
However, it will not happen anytime soon and Nikon's DX lens series works just fine for their 1.5 crop sensors.


And Nikon still has a boatload of normal F lenses that will work perfectly fine on a 35mm camera.


Agreed, but it still will not happen anytime soon IMO. Just like you said, they will do it, but not until the market is ready for it. And like I said, as they (FF cameras) get more afforable all around, that's when they'll do it. We are still a good 2-5 years from it I think.


Nikon has tested 6 35mm cameras (different mp's, different sensor manufacturers) for the last year..... IMHO we are 2 to 5 months from it.

I cannot provide links to sources, because I read them a month ago, but considered them reliable enough to say stuff like this here at dpc.

12/13/2006 04:11:34 PM · #29
Although I take everything I read on leaks of upcoming products with a grain of salt, it's apparent that time's a-wasting for Nikon in the 35mm format. The price of 35mm is falling fast, and Canon will almost certainly introduce their 3rd generation flagship 35mm DSLR in CY 2007. 3rd Generation.
Nikon needs to get in soon. Whether that means they will get in soon is another matter. I certainly hope the rumors are true, and they do so in CY 2007. More competition is good for all of us, the end users. Plus, I really want to see Nikon thrive, they are a great company with outstanding products and a long, storied history in photography.
 12/13/2006 04:36:14 PM · #30
It's been mentioned in this thread but I don't think it's been given as much weight as it deserves.
DX vs. FF depth of field differences.
Looking at shots w/ my N80 @ 50mm 1.8 and on my D70 @ 50mm (75) 1.8 you can really tell the difference in background blur.
Maybe I am off base here and someone can provide the math, but subjectively to me the difference is striking.
Besides being able to go wider, (and maybe a bigger viewfinder?) being able to have shallower DOF would be high on my list of why I'd want FF.
 12/13/2006 04:42:09 PM · #31
Originally posted by rswank:
being able to have shallower DOF would be high on my list of why I'd want FF.


Go with a longer lens ;-)
 12/13/2006 04:48:18 PM · #32
I have a Nikon AF Fisheye-Nikkor 10.5mm DX
and it's pretty wide - 180 degrees. The quality of the photos
are pretty good as well.


Message edited by author 2006-12-13 16:48:47.
 12/13/2006 05:05:25 PM · #33
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
I am sorry, I have been reading this thread and I am completely lost.
I have a d50 now - "a beginner's dslr" as they call it.
are 6 mpxl really not bad? I look at others photos and at mine - I miss a lot ...........


This was the last post I read in this thread. It always amazes me: good photographers really know what they want and where to get it.
It is only the mediocre and low photographers that keep trying to update their equipment all the time.
Wont you ever learn? It's not about the camera. Its ONLY , ONLY and ONLY about the photographer.
Instead of puting so much money and time in finding the right camera, put this money into a real good photography class. Practice and practice some more and try to understand what is it about your photography that does not reach the right level.

My own personal example is shooting at a certain show. No flash, dim lights, preformers all dressed in black.
I sit with my old d70 (nikon). Next to me sits this young dude with a shining D2Xs (also nikon). A 5000$ camera.
Shoots like hell all through the concert.

2 days later I get a phonecall from the editor of one of the more respectable magazines in the country, asking me if I can sell them a couple of photos. Aparently that dude with the d2xs was sent by them, but he said he had some flash problems and so none of his photos were in a sutisfying quality.
All my pics turned out cool. No flash no bulshit.

And if you think i'm a nobody and you don't "buy" my personal story - look at the equipment of some of the guys in this site. Check out Joey lawrence. Today he has a great equipment, but it wasn't always like this.

And if you still don't think i'm right - go spend your christmass money on cam equipt.
Then cry the entire year when you'll find out your pics still look lame.

Try to understand - the larger your MGP value is, only means 2 things:
1. you can print a bigger print (in case you always wanted to have your photos printed at 1.5 meters. And 6mgp will be quite enough for that.

2. You have a bigger file and so you can make it smaller to look at it and smaller means you see less of the defects. Everything looks sharper and better.
yey

You sound like a fat lady who actually believe she will look gorgeous if she stands afar.

Have a marry christmas

Message edited by author 2006-12-13 17:07:07.
 12/13/2006 05:07:48 PM · #34
Suki you should have continued to read. And Silverfoxx is quite a photog.
 12/13/2006 05:12:57 PM · #35
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Suki you should have continued to read. And Silverfoxx is quite a photog.


Considering she's been at it for such a short time, I say she's a damn great photog.
 12/13/2006 05:13:33 PM · #36
Yeah I think Suki missed the point.
 12/13/2006 05:21:39 PM · #37
Suki, if only you knew what your username means in russian:)

thank you Thegrandwazoo, but he is actually right. I am not a photographer, I've just got my first real camera and started taking photos. I have no idea about all that stupid equipment that's why I asked. I don't have ANYTHING else except the cam: no light, nothing. I use windows and feel pretty comfortable. and I don't have money for a photography class here.
don't tell me there's no difference between my old kodak film camera with only one button and my d50. don't tell me there's no difference between my night-table light and a large soft box.

I shouldn't really have wasted my time talking to you.
I will never learn, you are right, I've been in this photo business a whole eternity: since september 2006. I haven't learnt anything since that time.

back, back to my little fat business!
hmmm... what do you think? is this pose gorgeous enough?...
 12/13/2006 05:26:37 PM · #38
Originally posted by silverfoxx:

but he is actually right.


No he's not! You ask and ask and ask some more that is why we are all here. Too learn. Maybe not Suki cuz he seems to know it all already but just stick with the crazies that are here to lean. Don't stop shooting Silverfoxx you rock. You are quite a photog and have a great eye. Keep shooting and hanging out with us! :-D
 12/13/2006 05:27:42 PM · #39
Hey, silverfox, there was a time when I barely knew which end of the camera to put my eye up to (arguably I still don't) you are doing wonderfully.
 12/13/2006 05:31:11 PM · #40
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
No he's not! You ask and ask and ask some more that is why we are all here. Too learn. Maybe not Suki cuz he seems to know it all already but just stick with the crazies that are here to lean. Don't stop shooting Silverfoxx you rock. You are quite a photog and have a great eye. Keep shooting and hanging out with us! :-D

thank you Erick! :) sure, I will. many many questions, tons of questions from me. I like it all and of course I won't let anyone stop me.
:) thank you so much!
 12/13/2006 05:31:42 PM · #41
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Hey, silverfox, there was a time when I barely knew which end of the camera to put my eye up to (arguably I still don't) you are doing wonderfully.

thank you so much Leroy! I'm glad you think so:) really really glad!
and I don't know what side I should look at because I have to be behind AND in front of my cam at the same time:)

Message edited by author 2006-12-13 17:32:23.
 12/13/2006 05:34:31 PM · #42
silverfoxx... don't listen to them. It's about time you faced facts and gave up this hobby.

You can sell me your D50 for $100
 12/13/2006 05:35:45 PM · #43
Silverfoxx is OK if you like that free spirit attitude, those awesome self portriats, her willingness to put herself and her work out there for all to criticize, and her desire to learn and grow in photography.

Other than that, there's not much there.

;-)

I'm joking of course. You keep asking, learning and entering challenges. You'll do just fine!
 12/13/2006 05:38:14 PM · #44
Originally posted by Suki:
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
I am sorry, I have been reading this thread and I am completely lost.
I have a d50 now - "a beginner's dslr" as they call it.
are 6 mpxl really not bad? I look at others photos and at mine - I miss a lot ...........


This was the last post I read in this thread. It always amazes me: good photographers really know what they want and where to get it.
It is only the mediocre and low photographers that keep trying to update their equipment all the time.
Wont you ever learn? It's not about the camera. Its ONLY , ONLY and ONLY about the photographer.
Instead of puting so much money and time in finding the right camera, put this money into a real good photography class. Practice and practice some more and try to understand what is it about your photography that does not reach the right level.

My own personal example is shooting at a certain show. No flash, dim lights, preformers all dressed in black.
I sit with my old d70 (nikon). Next to me sits this young dude with a shining D2Xs (also nikon). A 5000$ camera.
Shoots like hell all through the concert.

2 days later I get a phonecall from the editor of one of the more respectable magazines in the country, asking me if I can sell them a couple of photos. Aparently that dude with the d2xs was sent by them, but he said he had some flash problems and so none of his photos were in a sutisfying quality.
All my pics turned out cool. No flash no bulshit.

And if you think i'm a nobody and you don't "buy" my personal story - look at the equipment of some of the guys in this site. Check out Joey lawrence. Today he has a great equipment, but it wasn't always like this.

And if you still don't think i'm right - go spend your christmass money on cam equipt.
Then cry the entire year when you'll find out your pics still look lame.

Try to understand - the larger your MGP value is, only means 2 things:
1. you can print a bigger print (in case you always wanted to have your photos printed at 1.5 meters. And 6mgp will be quite enough for that.

2. You have a bigger file and so you can make it smaller to look at it and smaller means you see less of the defects. Everything looks sharper and better.
yey

You sound like a fat lady who actually believe she will look gorgeous if she stands afar.

Have a marry christmas


Hi Suki,

I cannot speak for others but to me photography as a hobby
means a) I get to learn and shoot the best photos possible
at my level and b) buy the best camera equipment that i can
afford. Afterall, I think that's what a hobby is all about.
Just my 2 cents.

Kyle :)
 12/13/2006 05:41:37 PM · #45
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
Suki, if only you knew what your username means in russian:)

thank you Thegrandwazoo, but he is actually right. I am not a photographer, I've just got my first real camera and started taking photos. I have no idea about all that stupid equipment that's why I asked. I don't have ANYTHING else except the cam: no light, nothing. I use windows and feel pretty comfortable. and I don't have money for a photography class here.
don't tell me there's no difference between my old kodak film camera with only one button and my d50. don't tell me there's no difference between my night-table light and a large soft box.

I shouldn't really have wasted my time talking to you.
I will never learn, you are right, I've been in this photo business a whole eternity: since september 2006. I haven't learnt anything since that time.

back, back to my little fat business!
hmmm... what do you think? is this pose gorgeous enough?...


And Silverfoxx .... you're one kick-ass photographer !
Keep shooting ! And time to get a Nikon D2xs !! :p

Love this photo.


Message edited by author 2006-12-13 17:41:59.
 12/13/2006 05:42:49 PM · #46
Originally posted by jhonan:
silverfoxx... don't listen to them. It's about time you faced facts and gave up this hobby.

You can sell me your D50 for $100


$500? ;)
 12/13/2006 05:43:55 PM · #47
Originally posted by scarbrd:

I'm joking of course. You keep asking, learning and entering challenges. You'll do just fine!


thank you so much David!
what an interesting discussion about the next Nikon we have here :)
 12/13/2006 05:45:05 PM · #48
Originally posted by krgl:
And Silverfoxx .... you're one kick-ass photographer !
Keep shooting ! And time to get a Nikon D2xs !! :p

Love this photo.


really? you do? thank you so much! it's great that somebody likes it!!
 12/13/2006 05:47:16 PM · #49
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
I am sorry, I have been reading this thread and I am completely lost.
I have a d50 now - "a beginner's dslr" as they call it.
are 6 mpxl really not bad? I look at others photos and at mine - I miss a lot: my photos are not sharp enough, not bright enough, not "clear" enough. I was quite comfortable with the idea that it's my camera that is not perfect:)


D50
Look at the above url. Do they look sharp, bright, or clear? Camera 5% of the equation, lens 10% of the equation, and guess who fills in the rest. For the purposes of making images on this site you've got plenty camera.
 12/13/2006 05:50:03 PM · #50
I think you can do just fine with not that much equipment.

I've got a Nikon D50 as well. Two lenses, the kit lens that came with it and then an old manual 50mm F1.8 lens I got off ebay for less than 25$ including shipping (hey I'm broke) I don't have a flash or any lighting gear, I don't have a tripod and I don't have any filters or even a camera bag.

Heck I even managed to get a 7+ scoring photo here on dpchallenge with my little (I think it's a 4mp) mini point and shooter.

I really do think that learning what you can do with the stuff you already have is more important than trying to upgrade all the time. It's fun of course to get new stuff because it lets you try out new things but you can do a lot with not very much.
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