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11/23/2006 11:46:24 AM · #1 |
How did this shot pass?
Basic Editing rules states:
You may:saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed.
You May Not:use the marquee, lasso, or similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason other than cropping or creating a border.
So unless there is some way to do this without selecting only the face, (which could be possible, I'm no expert) how is this a legal shot? I'm not bringing this up to bash the photo, I like the photo. But this is a technique I like to use at times, but would have thought it was illegal. I want to understand how it is not. Please enlighten me. Thanks!
Message edited by author 2006-11-23 11:46:50. |
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11/23/2006 11:47:59 AM · #2 |
Desaturate the reds.
He says he did it with Hue/Sat in his comments.
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11/23/2006 11:54:15 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Desaturate the reds.
He says he did it with Hue/Sat in his comments. |
Ok, so how do you desaturate only the the reds and it remove all flesh color and not affect the other colors at all? :confused: |
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11/23/2006 11:55:42 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
Originally posted by idnic:
Desaturate the reds.
He says he did it with Hue/Sat in his comments. |
Ok, so how do you desaturate only the the reds and it remove all flesh color and not affect the other colors at all? :confused: |
In the hue/saturation box, use the drop-down at the top to choose red - then red is the only color affected. You can do that with any single color. The reason I say red in this case is because skin tones on caucasians are mostly red with a touch of yellow.
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11/23/2006 12:09:56 PM · #5 |
I just quickly did this shot for an example.
I used image>adjustments>hue/desaturation.
Then, in the top box where default is "master" I chose each colour individually, sliding the saturation slider to zero on everything but the yellow, leaving it untouched.
Note how the grass to the right and a couple rocks still have colour, as they contained yellow, but the rest is b/w.
This technique is totally legal in basic because it applies to the whole photo, but only works well if you keep in mind what colour(s) you'll be wanting to leave and being aware of anything else in the shot that contains the colour as well.
Message edited by author 2006-11-23 12:14:14. |
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11/23/2006 12:12:38 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
Originally posted by idnic:
Desaturate the reds.
He says he did it with Hue/Sat in his comments. |
Ok, so how do you desaturate only the the reds and it remove all flesh color and not affect the other colors at all? :confused: |
Added: To slow.
Message edited by author 2006-11-23 12:14:07.
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11/23/2006 12:13:55 PM · #7 |
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11/23/2006 12:15:37 PM · #8 |
Lol, I'd forgotten about that one... coulda saved myself 5 minutes' work!
And Ed, you didn't have to remove yours! It was a good example of how dramatic a change you can make by only desaturating ONE colour range. I used all BUT one in mine :)
Message edited by author 2006-11-23 12:16:55. |
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11/23/2006 12:16:46 PM · #9 |
Though the word 'selective' in the title is a bit misleading IMO. It means selective in the sense of choosing a color, not an area. As long as it's applied to the entire photo equally, it's legal.
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11/23/2006 12:19:37 PM · #10 |
| I see. Thanks for all the answers. :-) |
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11/23/2006 12:21:22 PM · #11 |
| Hey, I know so little that when I do find something I can help with, I'm thrilled! :D |
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11/23/2006 12:30:18 PM · #12 |
sorry to highjack the thread but is Gradient Map legal..
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11/23/2006 01:05:10 PM · #13 |
It should be as it is in the adj. layers...
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11/23/2006 01:51:01 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
sorry to highjack the thread but is Gradient Map legal.. |
yes all of the adjustment layers are legal as long as you use them in normal and don't mask or erase them |
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11/23/2006 05:16:50 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
sorry to highjack the thread but is Gradient Map legal.. |
yes all of the adjustment layers are legal as long as you use them in normal and don't mask or erase them |
I use gradient map quite regularly - its probably my favourite easy way to convert to B/W - sometimes you need to put a hue/sat layer under it to make subtle changes to the outcome but its quite easy and legal in basic as long as you keep it all in normal blending mode.
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11/23/2006 05:53:57 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
How did this shot pass?
Basic Editing rules states:
You may:saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed.
You May Not:use the marquee, lasso, or similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason other than cropping or creating a border.
So unless there is some way to do this without selecting only the face, (which could be possible, I'm no expert) how is this a legal shot? I'm not bringing this up to bash the photo, I like the photo. But this is a technique I like to use at times, but would have thought it was illegal. I want to understand how it is not. Please enlighten me. Thanks! |
Hey Breadfan... I understand your confusion with the edit on this image and since a few people have mentioned it, I'll give it a bit of a go here. Cindi is absolutely correct. This edit was mostly achieved by reducing the red in saturation and playing with saturation and hue in different colors. The trick is to plan things out just a little bit. If you know that you want to selectively desat in basic editing, it's important ot use accesories that aren't going to be too affected by the desturation. For example, skin is primarily red with a little yellow. so I used a predominantly blue wrap on the head. It did have a little red in it but the desaturation there was of no significance. Of course it's not a science and you have to play around a bit and more or less go by feel. One question was how did the yellow reflection remain on the face. This was a by product of the red desat. The yellow remained. An item to point out as well is the stones were more green when I started but by playing with hue and saturation I was able bring the eyes and the stones together. Here's a little trick... if you have two different colors and you want to make them similar, try hue on each... It dosn't always work and you may not get exactly the color you were hoping for but you can very often bring them together. The eyes and stone match is a good example. Of course the eyes aren't that yellow but it worked for me. You'd be surprised at what you can achieve by experimenting a bit. Don't know if this will help much but honestly, the best advice I can give is put your imagination in motion and experiment.
In addition, there was some highlite, midtone and shadow adjustment, neat image (in excess in some views) and sharpening. :)
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11/23/2006 06:42:42 PM · #17 |
Not only can you selectively desat colors in basic editing, but you can also selectively CHANGE colors in basic editing.
The was Done with a Selective Color adjustment layer to change the pink background to a more complimentary yellow.
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11/23/2006 07:16:04 PM · #18 |
| The skin is so soft. I was wondering if some blur was used on the red channel. I think that would be legal. Anyway, great photo. |
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11/23/2006 07:45:00 PM · #19 |
This question always comes up, which is to be expected because the technique in question goes against everything the basic editing rule set is suppose to prevent, which is selective editing. The key thing to remember is it's ok to selectively edit SO LONG AS its the software doing the selections and not you personally doing it with masks, lassos and such.
Another example of this is the Replace Color adjustment which allows you to selectively choose what color to replace in the dialog box but since it doesn't create any visible selections in the main window it is allowed.
ETA: I also meant to add that I'm all for using it so this isn't a rant about being more strict with the editing.
Message edited by author 2006-11-23 19:47:25. |
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11/23/2006 08:22:30 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Another example of this is the Replace Color adjustment which allows you to selectively choose what color to replace in the dialog box but since it doesn't create any visible selections in the main window it is allowed.
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i have never gotten this tool to work worth a crap. is there a secret other than having perfectly even lighting? |
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11/23/2006 08:47:08 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by yanko:
Another example of this is the Replace Color adjustment which allows you to selectively choose what color to replace in the dialog box but since it doesn't create any visible selections in the main window it is allowed.
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i have never gotten this tool to work worth a crap. is there a secret other than having perfectly even lighting? |
I rarely use it myself but it seems to work best when it's just a minor adjustment. Basically, it's a last resort type of thing. |
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11/24/2006 01:34:18 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by dr_timbo:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
sorry to highjack the thread but is Gradient Map legal.. |
yes all of the adjustment layers are legal as long as you use them in normal and don't mask or erase them |
I use gradient map quite regularly - its probably my favourite easy way to convert to B/W - sometimes you need to put a hue/sat layer under it to make subtle changes to the outcome but its quite easy and legal in basic as long as you keep it all in normal blending mode. |
Thanks for the info.. I'm a bit worried since my pic's up for validation |
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11/24/2006 12:29:22 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by dr_timbo:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
sorry to highjack the thread but is Gradient Map legal.. |
yes all of the adjustment layers are legal as long as you use them in normal and don't mask or erase them |
I use gradient map quite regularly - its probably my favourite easy way to convert to B/W - sometimes you need to put a hue/sat layer under it to make subtle changes to the outcome but its quite easy and legal in basic as long as you keep it all in normal blending mode. |
Whoooo! I love gradient map and have had this question for a while (and I think asked it previously) and am glad to finally know the answer!!! |
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