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Prof_Fate

11/19/2006 09:51:45 PM · #26

Originally posted by Artyste:

Which proves absolutely nothing. Human sheepness in consumerism is a fact, yes.. but the quality of a person's photographs have very little to do with the gear they choose.

Also, 5 guys were just the tip of the iceberg.. I just didn't feel like writing out more names. The *POINT* is, your elitism is a little pathetic, but by all means.. continue to think that just because something is the most popular and most used, makes it the utmost best and renders anything else useless.

DPC Owners
Nikon dSLRs 7,172
Canon dSLRs 14,820

It's not elitism - it's friggin verifiable fact! More professional photographers, more photographers TOTAL, use Canon.

Message edited by author 2006-11-19 21:53:04.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

11/19/2006 09:52:36 PM · #27

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by Artyste:

Which proves absolutely nothing. Human sheepness in consumerism is a fact, yes.. but the quality of a person's photographs have very little to do with the gear they choose.

Also, 5 guys were just the tip of the iceberg.. I just didn't feel like writing out more names. The *POINT* is, your elitism is a little pathetic, but by all means.. continue to think that just because something is the most popular and most used, makes it the utmost best and renders anything else useless.

DPC Owners
Nikon dSLRs 7,172
Canon dSLRs 14,820

It's not elitism - it's friggin verifiable fact! More professional photographs, more photographers TOTAL, use Canon.

Wow.. I didn't know that all DPC users that own cameras are pros! OMG!

I'd call you an idiot, but that's a personal attack.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

11/19/2006 09:58:20 PM · #28

Now.. to be clear. I don't think any brand is *better* than another. They all have pros and cons.

However, anyone making statements like Prof_Fate makes is just being unrealistic, elitist, and downright silly.

It's all about the Photographer.. what they decide to go with.. and what their needs are. It's sad that a person can ask for help on this website about what to choose and get hit by statements like Prof_Fate's. If you can't be helpful, just shut the hell up I say.

Now.. Sorry I got sucked into things, so that's my last word.

For the OP.. ignore the whole "MY BRAND IS BEST!" stuff if you can, and go out and feel and test and check out the cameras/lenses you are looking at, consider all your options, and make an informed decision. That is the best thing you can do.

Good luck with whatever you decide to go with, and happy photographing.

Prof_Fate

11/19/2006 10:00:21 PM · #29

Originally posted by Artyste:

DPC Owners
Nikon dSLRs 7,172
Canon dSLRs 14,820

It's not elitism - it's friggin verifiable fact! More professional photographs, more photographers TOTAL, use Canon.

Wow.. I didn't know that all DPC users that own cameras are pros! OMG!

I'd call you an idiot, but that's a personal attack. [/quote]

I am a working pro, made about $1100 today shooting pets. I am a member of the local PPA affiliated organization and EVERYONE that came to speak at the 3 day seminar last month (5 working pro, some millionaires at this point) all use Canon. Every single one of them.
I am only reporting what I see out there.

Canon was there. Everytime Canon is there.
Fuji was there, they're always there too.
Was Nikon there? No, they don't seem to support the pros.
So are they the hobbyists' camera? In my experience, yes.

And BTW, the worlds largest owner of Nikon equipment is here in my town. (Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper). There is a large Nikon follwing here...But does Nikon some out to support or advertise or show their equipment?

I Enjoy Ham

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/19/2006 10:03:37 PM · #30

just to clear everyhting up and stop the argument...

choose canon because it comes first alphabeticaly... DUHHH

listen dude, this is the msot pointless argment one could make, the differences between prosumer canon or nikon cameras is so minimal that theres no use arguing. If you were choosing between a D2x and a 1ds mkII then i would say choose canon... but at this level the only way to decide si to hold them and use them.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/19/2006 10:08:05 PM · #31

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by routerguy666:
The guy posting dark frames off his nikon that have big purple blotches along the top is the first convincing argument I've seen about goign with one brand or the other. If that is standard Nikon behavior, I think that would certainly sway me towards Canon.

that's not standard, that's broken.

Thought he was saying he sees it on his camera same as is reported on other sites running the same test.

option

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

11/20/2006 01:53:40 AM · #32

Go pentax and free yourself from this never ending canon vs nikon debate...

Pedro

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

11/20/2006 02:25:33 AM · #33

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

DPC Owners
Nikon dSLRs 7,172
Canon dSLRs 14,820

It's not elitism - it's friggin verifiable fact! More professional photographers, more photographers TOTAL, use Canon.

More people drive Fords than Ferraris...does that make a Ford Focus the real Pro car? Hardly.

Canon tends to be less expensive, and they do a much better job marketing - they advertise more and they release product sooner.

As for friggin verifiable facts, any half-assed effort to read actual reviews will reveal that both of them make very good cameras and lenses, and neither is likely to be out of business any time soon.

(For the record, I have owned both Canon and Nikon digital systems, and have nothing negative to say about either. And yes, I am a working Pro - which I realize is very hard to believe, given that I shoot Nikon. 'spose that makes me a wannabe. should I return all the checks I received this week?)

mist

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/20/2006 02:43:20 AM · #34

Dragging things back from the advocacy, which is a loser argument anyway as everyone tends to pitch in behind their own brand, I'll talk about the lens.

The Canon 10-22 is great. At the wide side you can fit in half the planet in a single shot. Well, not quite, but it's pretty darn wide. Which eventually brings me to my point - is that the only lens you will have? If it is, you'll probably find that it's too wide for many applications. The 22 side is just about tele enough to take some "normal" shots, but everything will still appear small and far away.

So if you want something just to take architecture or sweeping landscapes, fine, otherwise put in for another lens too.

Choose your camera model yourself by trying both. Pick whichever seems more natural.

DjFenzl

11/20/2006 03:21:43 AM · #35

I've shot both Nikon and Canon in the past. They both make a good product. Next week I'll be getting a D200 - after reading in depth reviews and feeling it in my hands I've decided it's the best camera for me.

Should you get one too? No one can answer your question but YOU. No one can tell you what the best camera for YOU will be. It's the person BEHIND the camera that takes a great picture - not the camera. I used to work for ALLSPORT photography and can tell you the top sports photographers in the world that shoot EVERY major sporting event shoot both Canon and Nikon. Take their camera away and hand them the opposing brand camera and they will still be one of the top photographers in the world.

Anyone who tells you to be a pro you need to shoot XYZ brand to be a pro is flat out wrong. Get what feels good to YOU and what works best for YOU and leave everyone else's insecurities to themselves.

Tajhad

Canon EOS R

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

11/20/2006 06:40:34 AM · #36

As alresdy mentioned - maybe give some thought to the Pentax K10D. I think Pentax might be on the come back. I used Pentax SLRs with some pretty good prime lenses. I then changed over to Canon - and bought canon for digital because I already had some canon lenses. This is now a mute point as I am trying to get better lenses.
This might be a point with your partners Nikon. If she has good lenses then go down the Nikon path - if not keep looking.
I don't know what your budget is and whether you are a pro or not - but this argument is talking pretty serious money. Money I dont have - but your case may be different.
Have a look at the Pentax if you are not in a rush - you may be pleasantly surprised.

540media

Nikon D200

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

11/22/2006 08:18:02 AM · #37

So without opening up the decades old 'canon v nikon' debate I'd like someone to give me their 2 cents.

Well I suppose I asked for it really â�� opening up the canon v Nikon debate!!!

In the end Iâ��ve gone for the d200 or the 30d â�� better overall free when it was in my hand, plus I mange it get it for Â£300 less than retail price. Also as I said my partner is a lifelong Nikon user so I can always steal her lenses.

Thanks to Artyste for his input

Originally posted by Artyste:

It's all about the Photographer.. what they decide to go with.. and what their needs are. It's sad that a person can ask for help on this website about what to choose and get hit by statements like Prof_Fate's. If you can't be helpful, just shut the hell up I say .

540media

Nikon D200

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

11/22/2006 08:25:11 AM · #38

Originally posted by mist:

The Canon 10-22 is great... ...is that the only lens you will have? If it is, you'll probably find that it's too wide for many applications. The 22 side is just about tele enough to take some "normal" shots, but everything will still appear small and far away.

So if you want something just to take architecture or sweeping landscapes, fine, otherwise put in for another lens too.

architecture and sweeping landscapes are basically what I will be using the camera for - will be doing a lot of traveling in the next 12 months (america, norway, iceland, finland, south africa)

540media

Nikon D200

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

11/22/2006 08:25:39 AM · #39

now that I've gone for the body which lens do I go for?
Tokina 12-24mm or Sigma 10-20mm

opinions please (no arguments now!!!)

goc

Apple iPhone 4

11/22/2006 08:40:39 AM · #40

canon, better IQ !-)

justamistere

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

11/22/2006 10:57:13 AM · #41

I'm not sure about which is better, I've never shot with a Cannon. Last August I shot Jet-Skis hoppin the waves of Lake Erie. I was sitting on the rocks/breakwall, doing this all handheld with my 80-200 VR lens propped on my knees via my forearm. I was able to zoom-in on the Photoshop PS2 RAW "NEF" image and read the serial numbers on the registration-stickers. It was a very sunny day they were about 200 - 300 yards away.

FireBird

11/22/2006 12:17:58 PM · #42