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11/14/2006 09:35:58 AM · #1 |
Hi...
I'm a relative newbie......here's the loaded question.
Is there any measures or any form of appeal to the trolls that just seem to be mean, clueless, or just so d*mn harsh as to not be reasonable in their judging?
It's really hard for me to understand how it can be anything but pissy and subjectively ornery when you get 38 6.0 votes, 110 5.0 votes, a smattering on either side of that, and a handful of 1s and 2s.
I'd just like for someone to explain to me when it's obvious where the general field is in voting how someone can vote such an obviously mean-spirited and clueless vote.
PollyAnna aka Jeb
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11/14/2006 09:44:07 AM · #2 |
It's only a game dont take it too seriously and enjoy your photography. If one person appreciates your pictures be happy!
My pictures seem to be REALLY appreaciated by some and the complete opposite by others.
I dont suppose the odd 1 ot 2 vote makes any real difference to your average anyway. |
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11/14/2006 09:49:14 AM · #3 |
| I could tell you to go read any of the thousands of existing threads on the topic but I'll save you some time and just summarize. There's no explanation. It's part of what happens when you enter a contest that's open to everyone in the world. Some people might actually not like your stuff, even when everyone else does, and some people are just obviously mean-spirited and clueless. Your best bet is just to come to terms with that and move on, it'll make for a much more enjoyable DPC experience. |
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11/14/2006 09:50:43 AM · #4 |
You will never understand how "mean spirited" some voters can be until you enter a nude into a basic editing challenge :-)
That said, I think quite a bit of the low voters vote low because they can't detach themselves from some dislike of the subject matter or perhaps technique.
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11/14/2006 12:07:00 PM · #5 |
I think it's great that every picture gets 1s. There is no absolute standard for judging a photograph. The curve is proof that there are a variety of standards and esthetics on this site. The ribbon winners are those that either appeal to the most (but not all!) esthetic sensibilities or appeal to whichever esthetic sensibility is currently popular. Curves are good for you!
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11/14/2006 12:24:59 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by mk:
I could tell you to go read any of the thousands of existing threads on the topic but I'll save you some time and just summarize. There's no explanation. It's part of what happens when you enter a contest that's open to everyone in the world. Some people might actually not like your stuff, even when everyone else does, and some people are just obviously mean-spirited and clueless. Your best bet is just to come to terms with that and move on, it'll make for a much more enjoyable DPC experience. |
This topic is not part of your FAQ? |
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11/14/2006 10:15:15 PM · #7 |
Thanks for all the input, folks.
I guess I just won't bother to get excited or try to figure out why I'd get a couple 1s or 2s when the average is 5.
I guess it's that PollyAnna streak that I have that wants all people to be thoughtful and fair.
Ya win some, ya lose some, I guess!
It's not that big a deal for me anyway since it's not exactly like I'm in the running for the ribbons......
I do have a lot of fun here as there are so many nice folks!
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11/14/2006 10:19:54 PM · #8 |
trolls do not exist.
please proceed to the nearest mind-control facility
to get the latest fixes and updates.
conformance is key to progress. |
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11/14/2006 11:31:47 PM · #9 |
| I've just started voting recently and after looking at all the really wonderful pics here, I don't feel all that comfortable offering critiques. That said, my voting so far has been 5 on up. Anything I felt that probably would be less than a 5, I don't give it a score. I guess I cannot bring myself to make any negative comments or posts. I'm sure I will be on the receiving end of that kind of scoring, but I let that rest in the hands of those who are more comfortable with dishing it out. |
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11/14/2006 11:34:31 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
my voting so far has been 5 on up. Anything I felt that probably would be less than a 5, I don't give it a score. |
That is WRONG. It will result in inconsistent voting.
You might think you're doing those "bad" photos a favour, but in actual, you're not. |
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11/15/2006 12:14:19 AM · #11 |
| mmmm... maybe I am misunderstanding the voting process. So if I only vote on a minimum of 20% of the photos, is that also "WRONG"? And what if I like all those photos, and they scored 5 on up. Then what? |
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11/15/2006 12:15:25 AM · #12 |
| This has been discussed countless times. Just vote how you like, leave whatever comments you like, and give a virtual finger to anyone who gives you a hard time about it. |
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11/15/2006 12:17:18 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
mmmm... maybe I am misunderstanding the voting process. So if I only vote on a minimum of 20% of the photos, is that also "WRONG"? And what if I like all those photos, and they scored 5 on up. Then what? |
I think maybe Langdon should remove the options to vote 1-4 then.
I mean, that's my point. |
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11/15/2006 12:19:26 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by crayon:
trolls do not exist.
please proceed to the nearest mind-control facility
to get the latest fixes and updates.
conformance is key to progress. |
You are right that trolls do not exist ..... unless you play bingo.
Next you're gonna tell me Santa is fake?? Hmmpfh ....come on now....really!!
Message edited by author 2006-11-15 00:20:57. |
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11/15/2006 06:16:39 AM · #15 |
all my votes start at 5.
I do understand that it takes time and efforts to take a picture. that's why I give 5 only for that time/effort side.
if I don't like a photo (which happens rarely) or simply find it dull, uninteresting or boring I just don't vote on it at all.
but after reading this thread I' started thinking that probably i's a wrong tactics in this cruel world:) |
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11/15/2006 06:21:03 AM · #16 |
Sod it, there's some bad photos out there. Be honest!
With a comment maybe it'll help people.
Message edited by author 2006-11-15 06:21:36. |
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11/15/2006 06:29:57 AM · #17 |
well, I don't really think there can be *bad* photos at all.
everything is relative.
I mean I can of course see and feel that one particular photo is not a piece of art at all but call it bad...
I guees we all are here to have fun. I will judge completely different when I see the same photos for sale or on an exibition.:)
but I try to write comments:)! |
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11/15/2006 06:47:19 AM · #18 |
I, for one, don't think "trolls" exist.
I think they have been created by the hype and hysteria surrounding people who cannot come to terms with the fact that somebody may actually not like their picture.
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11/15/2006 07:26:39 AM · #19 |
| I use the full voting scale, but I've yet to find a photo that, in my view, deserves a 1 or a 2 (as far as I can remember at least). I guess there are other people who hold the view that most photos deserve a 1 or a 2, and they are the set that commonly get referred to as trolls. |
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11/15/2006 08:13:48 AM · #20 |
I've cast a few votes and rarely find a shot that deserves a 1-2-3 but there are some that I will give a 4. I don't use the full scale.
I'm usually trying to give the photographer the benefit of doubt. |
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11/15/2006 10:54:44 AM · #21 |
| Marking Art out of ten is pretty silly anyway. Just enjoy yourself and dont get too depressed if someone doesn't rate your work. I love the fact that when a new challenge arises it gets you thinking and creating something. Surely that's what it's all about. |
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11/15/2006 11:48:17 AM · #22 |
Trolls exsit. You can spot them by their 3.67 Average vote cast stat. These are creatures that just feel nothing is worthy of a good score (except their own).
Lets face it. Some people are jerks and 1's are their way of expressing their anger at the world. Better them giving us 1's, than shooting people. |
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11/15/2006 12:03:12 PM · #23 |
I don't know if I believe trolls exist - they might or they might not...
What I do know is that people have very different ways of voting: Some use the whole scale and some do not. I'm the second kind myself. I have only voted 1 or 2 on very few occasions - but I have voted 9 and 10 in just as few. Almost all my votes are in the 3-8 range and I would say that around 85% of my votes are in the 4-7 range.
My voting average is just below 5 and I guess that puts me a little below the average here - but, I see no problem in that as long as my voting patterns is more or less constant. And, when I vote in a challenge I vote on all the pictures - if I know I don't have time to do that, I don't vote at all.
So in my opinion the pictures deserving 1 or 2 are very, very few - but those deserving 9 or 10 are just as few. (I don't even think I have a picture of my own I would give a 9 or a 10)
Edited for typos
Message edited by author 2006-11-15 15:05:59.
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11/15/2006 12:26:52 PM · #24 |
I do understand that it takes time and efforts to take a picture, but a pg should also understand that it takes time and efforts from me too look at that picture and judge it. When you waste my time you get a 1, simple as that.
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11/15/2006 12:39:55 PM · #25 |
I am here to LEARN photography... If you guys only leave me 5's and up and bypass when it is lower well... It sucks because I could actually think that my picture did pretty good. I was very disappointed in seeing how many people looked at my first challenge picture compared to how many actually voted. I would rather get a 1 to 4 with an explanation of what I could do better than having people not vote. Aren't we here to LEARN from each other? Why do people actually waste their time looking at pictures without voting??? Thaqt is beyond me.
And for those of you "nice" people that won't leave anything lower than a five you are not doing anyone a favor. It is much NICER to leave a low score and saying why you did so.
There's my bitching for today. Thanks all. I'll probably be in a better mood tomorrow.
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