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11/14/2006 04:48:47 PM · #1 |
Hey,
this may be a stupid question but I'm not so clear on it. Can layers be used in basic editing?
Adjustment layers can but can you use vector mask with it or is that illegal?
For instance, if I use a curve adjustment layer, can I then apply a vector mask to it to reveal the parts of a picture I would like lighter or darker than anothr part?
thanks in advance
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11/14/2006 04:50:34 PM · #2 |
| You can't make any selections in Basic, so anything that masks off parts would be illegal. |
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11/14/2006 04:51:45 PM · #3 |
ok. but then what is the use of allowing adjustment layers?
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11/14/2006 04:53:26 PM · #4 |
so you can make adjustments...
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11/14/2006 04:57:05 PM · #5 |
But couldnt I just make those adjustments without the extra layer? Maybe I am missing a technique thing here but a clue I couls surely use.
Originally posted by I Enjoy Ham:
so you can make adjustments... |
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11/14/2006 04:59:04 PM · #6 |
| there saying you can do curves, levels and every ONLY if you apply it to the WHOLE image. so you cant mask off parts you dont want adjusted.its either all or none |
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11/14/2006 04:59:46 PM · #7 |
| By creating an adjustment layer you are preserving the original (as long as you save the layers when you save the file). This allows you to go back and make changes to the adjustment layer if you want to try something else at another time. |
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11/14/2006 05:00:44 PM · #8 |
The main advantage of adjustment layers is they're easy to undo...so you could have one for saturation, one for contrast, one for levels, then decide you want to change / undo your saturation one. Without layers you'd have to undo everything - with them you can just hide the layer or double-click it and change the setting.
Also it makes it easier to remember exactly what you did, useful for DPC validation!
Message edited by author 2006-11-14 17:01:27. |
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11/14/2006 05:01:39 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
By creating an adjustment layer you are preserving the original (as long as you save the layers when you save the file). This allows you to go back and make changes to the adjustment layer if you want to try something else at another time. |
exactly... whenever you make an adjustment to an image it should never be on the original image, always either duplicate the BG layer or create an adjustment layer
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11/14/2006 05:07:23 PM · #10 |
sweet! thanks guys! This one's gonna be challenging to get right from the camera then for me but this will be a good test in skills for me.
thanks again!
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11/14/2006 05:22:09 PM · #11 |
| Can anyone answer another question about basic editing? Can I invert an image, as in Layer, New Adjustmant Layer, Invert Image (Elements 4)? |
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11/14/2006 05:32:08 PM · #12 |
I belive this is doable under the new rules as long as it is to the whole picture. Of course, considering I started this thread, I would wait tohear from a site council member first. :)
Originally posted by SaraR:
Can anyone answer another question about basic editing? Can I invert an image, as in Layer, New Adjustmant Layer, Invert Image (Elements 4)? |
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11/14/2006 05:38:10 PM · #13 |
| Thanks Rooster. Having re-read the rules, I think it probably isn't in the spirit of them, but further guidance would be useful. |
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11/14/2006 05:46:47 PM · #14 |
| Invert should be fine if applied to the whole image. |
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11/14/2006 05:50:44 PM · #15 |
| Shannon, thanks for the heads up. |
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11/14/2006 05:52:36 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Can anyone answer another question about basic editing? Can I invert an image, as in Layer, New Adjustmant Layer, Invert Image (Elements 4)? |
This image was entirely legal under basic editing:
It's not a straight inversion like you have described, but the CURVES have been inverted...
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11/14/2006 06:01:11 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Can anyone answer another question about basic editing? Can I invert an image, as in Layer, New Adjustmant Layer, Invert Image (Elements 4)? |
Inverting the whole image is legal. We even had a Negative challenge in April. |
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11/14/2006 06:15:30 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by jimness:
The main advantage of adjustment layers is they're easy to undo...so you could have one for saturation, one for contrast, one for levels, then decide you want to change / undo your saturation one. Without layers you'd have to undo everything - with them you can just hide the layer or double-click it and change the setting. |
Also, if you use multiple adjustment layers, they will have different effects depending on the order in which they're stacked. |
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11/14/2006 06:23:33 PM · #19 |
I have a question regarding layers if you don't mind. Lets say I duplicate the image and then use a shadows/highlight layer in Cs2. Is it legal in basic to fade the opacity of the layer/image to lessen the effect, or must I use the fade via Edit->Fade. I remember during the soft focus challenge Kirbic said to make sure to use Edit->Fade, but what is the difference in image output? You also lose the ability to change the effect layer later. If I am hijacking I'll repost under the new rules thread.
Message edited by author 2006-11-14 18:24:52.
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11/14/2006 06:28:17 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I have a question regarding layers if you don't mind. Lets say I duplicate the image and then use a shadows/highlight layer in Cs2. Is it legal in basic to fade the opacity of the layer/image to lessen the effect, or must I use the fade via Edit->Fade. I remember during the soft focus challenge Kirbic said to make sure to use Edit->Fade, but what is the difference in image output? You also lose the ability to change the effect layer later. If I am hijacking I'll repost under the new rules thread. |
There is no difference in image output. But in basic you can't have a layer that contains pixels. So you have to do it the way Kirbic suggests.
OR you can do it the logical, non-destructive way, note all your steps, and then when you are done open a fresh version of the original and dial in those steps on a single layer :-)
I do this a lot; act as if it's an advanced editing challenge, record my steps, and them replicate them on the base layer and I'm basic-legal.
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11/14/2006 06:32:14 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by jdannels:
I have a question regarding layers if you don't mind. Lets say I duplicate the image and then use a shadows/highlight layer in Cs2. Is it legal in basic to fade the opacity of the layer/image to lessen the effect, or must I use the fade via Edit->Fade. I remember during the soft focus challenge Kirbic said to make sure to use Edit->Fade, but what is the difference in image output? You also lose the ability to change the effect layer later. If I am hijacking I'll repost under the new rules thread. |
There is no difference in image output. But in basic you can't have a layer that contains pixels. So you have to do it the way Kirbic suggests.
OR you can do it the logical, non-destructive way, note all your steps, and then when you are done open a fresh version of the original and dial in those steps on a single layer :-)
I do this a lot; act as if it's an advanced editing challenge, record my steps, and them replicate them on the base layer and I'm basic-legal.
R. |
ohhhh so that the bear secret.. :)
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11/14/2006 06:34:28 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by I Enjoy Ham:
ohhhh so that the bear secret.. :) |
Shhhhh....
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11/14/2006 06:36:27 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There is no difference in image output. But in basic you can't have a layer that contains pixels. So you have to do it the way Kirbic suggests.
OR you can do it the logical, non-destructive way, note all your steps, and then when you are done open a fresh version of the original and dial in those steps on a single layer :-)
I do this a lot; act as if it's an advanced editing challenge, record my steps, and them replicate them on the base layer and I'm basic-legal.
R. |
Thanks, I knew there was a reason I had always used the fade instead of the other way, I now remember the no pixel data layer rule. And thats a good idea to act like advanced editing then do a quick re-edit on the image again. I just had to do a re-edit of an entry when I realized I had used the Luko USM technique which I have set as an action.It uses USM in lighten and darken modes, D'oh!! I was lucky I remembered I did it. Thank Robert
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