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11/11/2006 10:10:24 AM · #1 |
Tape by al-Qaida in Iraq mocks Bush
Saturday, November 11, 2006
Christopher Bodeen
Associated Press
Baghdad, Iraq - A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq mocked President Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war was rejected at the polls, challenging him to keep U.S. troops in the country to face more bloodshed.
"We haven't had enough of your blood yet," taunted terror chieftain Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, identified as the speaker on the tape.
He gloated over Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's resignation, claimed to have 12,000 fighters under his command who "have vowed to die for God's sake," and said his fighters will not rest until they blow up the White House and occupy Jerusalem.
It was impossible to verify the authenticity of the 20-minute recording, posted on a Web site used by Islamic militants. The CIA said technical analysis was being conducted on the tape.
Al-Muhajir, an Egyptian also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, boasted that al-Qaida in Iraq is moving toward victory faster than expected because of Bush's mistakes.
White House spokesman Tony Snow said the Bush administration had no comment on the tape.
The tape and its often far- fetched claims came as the U.S. military announced the deaths of five more service members in the 44-month-old conflict. Twenty- six American service members have been killed in Iraq so far this month.
At least 59 Iraqi civilians were killed or found dead Friday as the violence threatens to spiral into all-out civil war. In one of the day's bloodiest incidents, a suicide bomber in an explosives- rigged car killed six Iraqi soldiers he had lured from behind a checkpoint. Just hours earlier, Iraq's army said it captured the Egyptian leader of an al-Qaida cell in Anbar province, an insurgent stronghold.
The audio message appeared to be an attempt to exact maximum propaganda benefit from the results of Tuesday's midterm elections.
Al-Muhajir praised the American people for handing victory to the Democrats, saying: "They voted for something reasonable in the last elections." He also said Bush was "the most stupid president" in U.S. history.
"We call on the lame duck not to hurry his escape the way the defense secretary did," al-Muhajir said in reference to Rumsfeld's resignation as Pentagon chief on Wednesday.
"Remain steadfast on the battlefield, you coward," said al-Muhajir, who took over leadership of al-Qaida in Iraq after Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. airstrike in June.
Al-Muhajir also told Iraqi Sunnis to ally with a shadowy mini- state that militants claim to have established last month under a man identified as Abu Omar al- Baghdadi.
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11/11/2006 10:16:13 AM · #2 |
Good, I'm glad we made them happy. When Bush was re-elected, they also claimed that made them happy (as it would give them what they needed to continue to recruit their terrorists). It's all propaganda either way.
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11/11/2006 12:06:56 PM · #3 |
They are happy because we are now going to defecit spend ourselves into oblivion.
...oh wait, that's been the Republicans lately. Nevermind.
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11/11/2006 01:47:17 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
They are happy because we are now going to defecit spend ourselves into oblivion.
...oh wait, that's been the Republicans lately. Nevermind. |
Who do we owe the money to, some guy named Vinnie? Is he going to come break the nation's knee caps?
Politicians like to talk about deficit spending, because it's something the little guy can relate to at a personal level. But, it really doesn't work like that at the US Gov't level. In a nutshell, the US Gov't owes itself the money.
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11/11/2006 02:06:33 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Politicians like to talk about deficit spending, because it's something the little guy can relate to at a personal level. But, it really doesn't work like that at the US Gov't level. In a nutshell, the US Gov't owes itself the money. |
That's far, far from the truth Leroy. The US government owes other governments and major institutions and anybody who owns a US treasury bond. It also owes itself in the fact that we have spent the social security trust fund. So the US goverment owes future beneficiaries.
Believe it or not, one day it will catch up to us. It may not be in our generation, it may not even be it our kids generation, but it WILL catch up. That is a cold hard fact that there is no getting around. If you charge up your credit card, you do have to pay the bill.
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11/11/2006 02:35:43 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
They are happy because we are now going to defecit spend ourselves into oblivion.
...oh wait, that's been the Republicans lately. Nevermind. |
Who do we owe the money to, some guy named Vinnie? Is he going to come break the nation's knee caps?
Politicians like to talk about deficit spending, because it's something the little guy can relate to at a personal level. But, it really doesn't work like that at the US Gov't level. In a nutshell, the US Gov't owes itself the money. |
Other countries have investments in the US to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. If the US doesn't make good on our debts, they will certainly divest their dollars as fast as possible.
What happens if they decide to cash in?
The market is flooded with dollars that are now plummeting in value. You think gasoline is bad at $3/gallon? It could easily go to $10/gal or higher with everything else you buy having similar price increases.
It's just like using the world's biggest credit card. If you don't pay your bills, your crdit rating drops and the collection agencies start calling. |
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11/11/2006 02:54:36 PM · #7 |
| the other thing, if my understanding is correct (and I could very well be wrong -- wouldn't be the first time [maybe the second]) is that the more the US gov't *owes* (whether to itself or others) the less value our dollar has on the global market. |
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11/11/2006 04:11:50 PM · #8 |
I understand all the arguments, but this won't be the first time or the last that we as a nation have run up large debts. The US Government will eventuall catch up on those debts, it's just a matter of which funds to rob from which causes.
Personally, I think that perhaps the war on drugs should be robbed to perhaps pay off some of the war on terror debts. How long have we been fighting that "war" with little result? Or perhaps our government should legalize some recreational drugs and then claim taxes on those, since they can't seem to get rid of them.
I wasn't saying that we don't owe money to other countries, private organizations, etc. But, moreso, it's just a matter of redirecting funds, cutting "non-essential" programs and cleaning up waste. That redirection is what I was talking about when I say the US Gov't in a nutshell owes itself the money.
Edit for those danr typos.
Message edited by author 2006-11-11 16:13:31.
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11/11/2006 04:18:17 PM · #9 |
Last time I checked, the US government debt ran to about $8.5 trillion, a significant proportion of which IS to other entities (individuals, nations, etc.). Also AFAIK the US government isn't making any real headway on the debt any time soon.
Interesting link: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._public_debt
Edit: Correction and additions.
Message edited by author 2006-11-11 16:22:01. |
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