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11/06/2006 06:21:08 PM · #26 |
I think #5 is her 'self promotion'
the family & child don't care a wit what the place looked like BEFORE the people ...
(i liked them, better than i could do, keep it up..!!!) |
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11/06/2006 06:34:54 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by ralph:
I think #5 is her 'self promotion'
the family & child don't care a wit what the place looked like BEFORE the people ... |
Maybe so...but people do actually like to have a remembrance of what they spent their money on. When I did a friend's wedding last year I took pics of the table decorations that she and her bridesmaids put together, the cake (of course), the room where the reception was held, a detail of the flower girl's dress, the buffet spread and, on request, the cookies that the groom's mother had made and brought for the guests (traditional Greek family). Events entail so much planning and go by so fast for the ones involved that they really do enjoy having something to remember their choices by.
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11/06/2006 06:56:35 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
I'm gonna backtrack slightly on the shirt comment...though it really is the way I feel...
It looks like you've got the start of a good working relationship. Your party planner had a room full of potential clients...all of whom will probably see the photos. She's got a business to build and you can be a valuable asset to her...just like a realtor who knows a good roof inspector, a party planner with a photographer contact is more likely to please her clients. She also has the potential to become your customer as she develops promotional materials (web site, brochure, business cards). If you want to cultivate that relationship, fix her shirt and make her happy...I doubt she'll ever choose that underwear and shirt combination again but in the immediate you can help her save face by fixing the images or taking them out of view at the least. |
While I don't disagree with her, to make the OP feel she *should have* fixed them was not right. She could have easily have said "would you mind fixing that, please." |
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11/06/2006 08:48:09 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by karmat:
While I don't disagree with her, to make the OP feel she *should have* fixed them was not right. She could have easily have said "would you mind fixing that, please." |
Absolutely! I hope I didn't come off as being prescriptive. =O !
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11/06/2006 09:30:36 PM · #30 |
By the way... I love the tilt. It adds energy. You ought to mix it up. Include some with tilt and some without and see which sells more. (the older generation will probably buy the straight-up version and the younger audience will buy the tilted version - that's my guess)
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11/06/2006 10:40:55 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by biteme:
a party planner for a child's birthday?! |
I had thought the same thing!!
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11/07/2006 12:21:03 AM · #32 |
| Regarding the tilt shots. This is something I think you should make a habit of speakign to the client before the event. My only complaint with our wedding photographer is how many of the fantastic candid shots she took are tilted. Loads of people love these same shots, but not me. Different tastes. "He who pays the piper calls the tune". |
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11/07/2006 01:20:24 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by KaDi:
I'm gonna backtrack slightly on the shirt comment...though it really is the way I feel...
It looks like you've got the start of a good working relationship. Your party planner had a room full of potential clients...all of whom will probably see the photos. She's got a business to build and you can be a valuable asset to her...just like a realtor who knows a good roof inspector, a party planner with a photographer contact is more likely to please her clients. She also has the potential to become your customer as she develops promotional materials (web site, brochure, business cards). If you want to cultivate that relationship, fix her shirt and make her happy...I doubt she'll ever choose that underwear and shirt combination again but in the immediate you can help her save face by fixing the images or taking them out of view at the least. |
While I don't disagree with her, to make the OP feel she *should have* fixed them was not right. She could have easily have said "would you mind fixing that, please." |
Unless the woman was blatantly and intentionally revealing her bra (and if that's the case she shouldn't be planning children's birthdays), she has every right to expect the photo to be edited or not posted. You have to watch out for things like that, particularly with a children's party. The children's parents don't want to see her bra any more than she does. Unintentional revealing of clothing/body parts that shouldn't be revealed happens...accidents happen. For example, I once shot a gig for a band and got a great shot of a child dancing only to discover when viewing the image at full size that the child wasn't wearing underwear and his crazy dancing had thrown his shorts up in a not so good manner. Did I use the image as is?...of course not. Did I eliminate it?...no, it was my best shot of the night. Did I clone him a few extra inches of leg on his shorts?...yes. It's your responsibility as a photographer and a professional to make sure that something that shouldn't be shown isn't. You have to be on the lookout for things that aren't appropriate. It may mean extra work, but it's the right thing to do and will keep you from losing clients. |
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11/07/2006 02:46:03 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by kearock:
Did I clone him a few extra inches of leg on his shorts?...yes. It's your responsibility as a photographer and a professional to make sure that something that shouldn't be shown isn't. You have to be on the lookout for things that aren't appropriate. It may mean extra work, but it's the right thing to do and will keep you from losing clients. |
I find this somewhat grating. In your case, with a child dancing who accidentally put more on show than he might have intended, I can see your point. But in the case of a fully-grown adult, who, to be frank, as a "person-person" probably puts a fair degree of thought into her own clothing, it's up to her to make sure that she has suitable clothing on - not for the photographer to alter reality by airbrushing something on later.
If she wants something altering, then she can ask for it. But to come out with a comment like "you should have changed x" is a bit professionally insulting on behalf of the organiser, I think.
What if you get another client who thinks the opposite? You've gone and spent time touching up clothing or lack of clothing, and your client could say "what happened to my see-through top?". You are presuming the intention, which is wrong IMO.
Message edited by author 2006-11-07 02:46:42. |
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11/07/2006 09:03:31 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by mist:
[quote=kearock] But in the case of a fully-grown adult, who, to be frank, as a "person-person" probably puts a fair degree of thought into her own clothing, it's up to her to make sure that she has suitable clothing on |
I think most people don't realize how a flash can penetrate and through clothing to reveal something that, through normal lighting, the person might not otherwise notice.
The same lady, I'm sure, wouldn't wear a t-shirt and then purposely get it wet because, from experience, she knows what will happen. But it isn't often that we see the reflective under clothing through clothes because we don't go around under straight-on bright lights.
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