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11/06/2006 02:15:28 PM · #1 |
I did a job for a friend and she said that she liked the pics. But the party planner emailed me with a very long list of what she calls "constructive criticism". Should I tell my friend, not to pay me since the party planner had such a long list of things I should have done differently? My friend hired me knowing that I am not a professional and she did seem happy with my work. The party planner also said she wanted to work me again, with the list she sent I can't see how. If you want to see the photos I can email or PM you the link.
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11/06/2006 02:18:40 PM · #2 |
I don't see the dilemma. The friend is paying for the pics. The friend liked the pics. Where does the party planner come in? The party planner wants you to use you in the future and she gave you some ideas of how to improve. If you want different criticism, by all means post the images here...for some more "constructive criticism."
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11/06/2006 02:22:00 PM · #3 |
You should be delighted to receive the "constructive criticism" from the party planner, who represents your potential long-term client base. S/he will have had a LOT of experience commissioning the sort of work you just did, and the feedback is invaluable.
Interest has been expressed in using your services; otherwise the planner wouldn't have bothered critiquing the work. Take the critique to heart, and thank the planner for it.
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11/06/2006 02:52:43 PM · #4 |
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11/06/2006 03:02:33 PM · #5 |
| It appears your flash did not go off sometimes but these photographs are fine for a child's birthday party. |
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11/06/2006 03:50:03 PM · #6 |
Generally speaking, I think the party images are very nice. Some of them would improve with a little more selective DOF to reduce distracting backgrounds. In many cases it would be nice to have the attention of the subject(s) a little more toward the camera rather than looking off at something unseen in the frame. For a child's party I wouldn't choose to process in black and white...it loses the energy and joy of the occasion, in my opinion. And more, more, more....more photos of the DJ, of the kids, of the decorations and refreshments...overshoot as much as possible when you've got so many people at an event.
What sort of criticism did the party planner offer?
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11/06/2006 03:52:36 PM · #7 |
| I'd also like to hear her critique and what she thinks you did that needs help. |
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11/06/2006 04:10:19 PM · #8 |
I was trying to capture candid photos, I'm just not very good at it. The kids were all dressed as Celebs, so I was supposed to be the Paparrazzi. I know I need a lot of practice or real training. I took over 500 shots.
Party Planners comments
1. I would take photos so it seems seems as if you are telling the story.
2. I noticed that many of the photos were on a slanted angle, I would try
to not have clients tilting there head to view the photos.
3. More family photos (i.e. grand mother, jill and all her kids including
Princess J, Jill and her boyfriend)
4. More candid shots
5. More photos of the actually venue before the guest arrive (i.e. the
fireplace by itself with the two balloon arrangements and the little bar
area)
6. Not sure if you could have got this shot but a shot that showed some of
the special lighting effects.
7. Photo of each kid as they arrived maybe a quick shot on the red carpet
would have been cute as well.
8. There are two photos of myself and you can actually see right though my
shirt too see the color bra I had on. I would have touched that up.
9. Maybe even a photo or two with Jazmin with her friends and have them in
B&W excempt for her.
10. a picture of her pulling up in the car, photos of car getting out of
the car. |
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11/06/2006 04:14:15 PM · #9 |
I think the party planner gave you some very good advice on shooting...except for #8. She's responsible for her own shirt. :)
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11/06/2006 04:18:02 PM · #10 |
The party planner's list looks very much like a list given to a wedding photographer. It's not criticism meaning "you did a bad job," it's a list of the kinds of shots clients like to have.
Say "thank you," ask her when she might need you, and take the shots she suggested. :) |
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11/06/2006 04:19:57 PM · #11 |
Yes, she did have some good constructive comments and I agree with her for the most part.
However, as you said the client-friend is happy so I'd let it go and just file this for future reference. The shots are cute and it's not like you've done 50 of these type parties.
 KaDi is correct she has to watch out for #1 and has her interests in mind. |
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11/06/2006 04:26:02 PM · #12 |
I think all of them are *valid* (except #8). It doesn't mean they aren't good photos. I enjoyed looking through them. Coming from her perspective, she may know what "sells" better, or what clients have asked her for.
As far as her shirt goes. That is her own freaking fault. I know when I am wearing a black or dark bra not to wear a light colored shirt. duh. I don't know that your friend was paying you to make the party planner look good. Sorry. I know that sounds harsh, but touching up someone's fashion faux pas when they could have prevented it all together is just, silly.
Or, maybe she sent you the whole list just to include #8. :) |
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11/06/2006 04:28:28 PM · #13 |
I agree with what the others had said. I don't think she was knocking the pictures themselves, asside from the tilted angle comment.
It seems more of a recommendation of what to shoot for next time. I agree, she is responsible for her own shirt..ignore that one...LOL.
I would find this very helpful if you are trying to break into doing that sort of thing :)
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11/06/2006 04:31:14 PM · #14 |
Your friend should pay you.
Sorry but the party planner may be picking on you because you are inexperienced. |
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11/06/2006 04:35:33 PM · #15 |
I'm gonna backtrack slightly on the shirt comment...though it really is the way I feel...
It looks like you've got the start of a good working relationship. Your party planner had a room full of potential clients...all of whom will probably see the photos. She's got a business to build and you can be a valuable asset to her...just like a realtor who knows a good roof inspector, a party planner with a photographer contact is more likely to please her clients. She also has the potential to become your customer as she develops promotional materials (web site, brochure, business cards). If you want to cultivate that relationship, fix her shirt and make her happy...I doubt she'll ever choose that underwear and shirt combination again but in the immediate you can help her save face by fixing the images or taking them out of view at the least.
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11/06/2006 04:46:40 PM · #16 |
| Is the shirt/bra photo on your website? |
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11/06/2006 04:49:01 PM · #17 |
I think it is good advice but #8 is not your fault...I had a shirt that totally showed my bra when pictures were taken but you could not see my bra through the shirt...WEIRD and embarrassing when it was my students that showed me this. I had NO IDEA!!
But, if this happens, you should touch them up to avoid embarrassment for anyone this affects. |
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11/06/2006 04:51:27 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Is the shirt/bra photo on your website? |
image #14 shows a white bra under a dark, loosely woven top.
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11/06/2006 05:03:21 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Karalew:
I did a job for a friend and she said that she liked the pics. But the party planner emailed me with a very long list of what she calls "constructive criticism". Should I tell my friend, not to pay me since the party planner had such a long list of things I should have done differently? My friend hired me knowing that I am not a professional and she did seem happy with my work. The party planner also said she wanted to work me again, with the list she sent I can't see how. If you want to see the photos I can email or PM you the link.
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Do yourself a favor. Tell your friend if she uses this party planner again to find another photographer. |
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11/06/2006 05:04:32 PM · #20 |
| for me the images are good. in some picture there is some distracting element that you can remove without a great work, but are shots in a party and not in a studio. |
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11/06/2006 05:06:26 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
It looks like you've got the start of a good working relationship ... If you want to cultivate that relationship, fix her shirt and make her happy |
EXACTLY right.
There's "I'm gonna do what I want," which works fine in some circumstances.
Then there's "I'm gonna do what builds my business," which sometimes conflicts with the first one.
Either way, don't feel guilty about taking your friend's money; nothing you did violated whatever you agreed to. |
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11/06/2006 05:07:15 PM · #22 |
| a party planner for a child's birthday?! |
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11/06/2006 05:09:28 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by biteme:
a party planner for a child's birthday?! |
party planner means book? |
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11/06/2006 06:08:18 PM · #24 |
The photos look fine. The advice is also very good. She is not saying that you did a bad job just that you might want to get more and different kinds of shots. Don't think badly about your job...just know there is always room for improvment.
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11/06/2006 06:17:02 PM · #25 |
If that was me Id tell her to get F'd and not give her the photos O.o probably not the smartest thing to do though... lol
BTW Photos are good ^_^
Message edited by author 2006-11-06 18:18:00.
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