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11/03/2006 06:14:03 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
How I see it:
A portrait is staged. You "sit" for a portrait. You arrange the scene. Everything in it is planned. The subject is aware of being photographed. Someone says "cheese".
A candid is not staged. The subject is either caught off guard or isn't even aware that a photo is being taken. Candids are more natural moments in life. |
What if it's a little of both what do you call it? For example, say you didn't arrange anything except say "go there" and the subject was aware of you taking the picture (i.e. they asked you or you asked them). What's that called?
Edited for clarity. |
I actually tend to be extremely lenient in the voting. There are vast gray areas where the two blend. But if you just want straight definitions of one vs. the other, then there you go. |
I already know what your two straight definitions are hence my question. How would you categorize that in general? |
In my voting, if it looks like someone was hauled out to a deliberate location to prance about in a candid-ish but deliberate manner, it's a portrait. If it's clearly someone who has no clue they're being photographed, then it's DNMC. Not counting the obvious wrong catergory submissions, I can count the number of DNMC on one hand and have five fingers left over.
Message edited by author 2006-11-03 18:15:55.
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11/03/2006 06:16:23 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
How I see it:
A portrait is staged. You "sit" for a portrait. You arrange the scene. Everything in it is planned. The subject is aware of being photographed. Someone says "cheese".
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So this is not a portrait?
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She looks to me like she's probably quite aware of being photographed.... |
I added emphasis to your original statement so you could see what you said. Yes, this individual was aware of being photographed...many, many images were taken by Dorthea Lange of this person and her children that day. But the scene was not "arranged" in the way you seem to imply. It was not "planned" and no one said "cheese."
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11/03/2006 06:20:50 PM · #28 |
good points brought up in this thread to be sure, makes me wish i picked a different image from the 5-hour shoot i did....[wasn't for the challenge, but i snuck some challenge specific shots in] my shot looks candid but is actually tightly controlled...and is hovering in the mid 4s'.
i really was struck by the wording of the challenge as being an "expressive" portrait...and picked my submission based on that, rather than which looked the most like a generic portrait. ah well.
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11/03/2006 06:21:05 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
How I see it:
A portrait is staged. You "sit" for a portrait. You arrange the scene. Everything in it is planned. The subject is aware of being photographed. Someone says "cheese".
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So this is not a portrait?
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She looks to me like she's probably quite aware of being photographed.... |
I added emphasis to your original statement so you could see what you said. Yes, this individual was aware of being photographed...many, many images were taken by Dorthea Lange of this person and her children that day. But the scene was not "arranged" in the way you seem to imply. It was not "planned" and no one said "cheese." |
I was talking about the exaggerated definitions because the OP seemed to want to know the difference in black and white. Obviously there are more shades than this or 90% of the challenge would be DNMC. I've only said as much several times already.
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11/03/2006 06:21:43 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
How I see it:
A portrait is staged. You "sit" for a portrait. You arrange the scene. Everything in it is planned. The subject is aware of being photographed. Someone says "cheese".
A candid is not staged. The subject is either caught off guard or isn't even aware that a photo is being taken. Candids are more natural moments in life. |
What if it's a little of both what do you call it? For example, say you didn't arrange anything except say "go there" and the subject was aware of you taking the picture (i.e. they asked you or you asked them). What's that called?
Edited for clarity. |
I guess it could either be called a suicide or a homicide ;)
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11/03/2006 06:22:55 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
How I see it:
A portrait is staged. You "sit" for a portrait. You arrange the scene. Everything in it is planned. The subject is aware of being photographed. Someone says "cheese".
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So this is not a portrait?
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She looks to me like she's probably quite aware of being photographed.... |
I added emphasis to your original statement so you could see what you said. Yes, this individual was aware of being photographed...many, many images were taken by Dorthea Lange of this person and her children that day. But the scene was not "arranged" in the way you seem to imply. It was not "planned" and no one said "cheese." |
I was talking about the exaggerated definitions because the OP seemed to want to know the difference in black and white. Obviously there are more shades than this or 90% of the challenge would be DNMC. I've only said as much several times already. I think it's amusing that I'm being interrogated as though I were a troll, but whatever ;-) |
LOL, this was meant to be an edit, not another reply. Ah well.
Message edited by author 2006-11-03 18:23:37.
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11/03/2006 06:49:30 PM · #32 |
Bokeh definitions and misunderstandings I can see - but Portraits? Wow, we are really anal as a group - eh? :D
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11/03/2006 06:55:53 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
I was talking about the exaggerated definitions because the OP seemed to want to know the difference in black and white. Obviously there are more shades than this or 90% of the challenge would be DNMC. I've only said as much several times already. |
uh, yuh...the definition of portrait exists only in the context of challenges....my bad
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11/03/2006 07:02:47 PM · #34 |
I have a non-person image up for portrait, and I am being HAMMERED. I checked to make sure, and my image does portray the likeness of a person, and is a pretty nice shot IMHO. It fits the strict definition of a portrait, and is currently scoring in the range that I generally consider to be reserved for technically poor photos.
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11/03/2006 07:07:43 PM · #35 |
People have their underwear on way to tight if they think there is a serious enough difference between a portrait and a candid to matter in the current challenge.
Most DPCers are still trying to figure out what all those little dials and buttons on their camera are for.
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11/03/2006 07:22:56 PM · #36 |
Did someone say "cheese"?
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11/03/2006 07:27:35 PM · #37 |
 6.5451 17/196 Color Studio Portrait
Shows that you dont need a person in a portrait challenge to do well. Sure sounds though that some people are just really DNMC happy (or grumpy as it might be).
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11/03/2006 07:28:43 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
6.5451 17/196 Color Studio Portrait
Shows that you dont need a person in a portrait challenge to do well. Sure sounds though that some people are just really DNMC happy (or grumpy as it might be). |
Nah, it just did well because of the portrait of Jim Hensen in the background :P
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11/03/2006 07:35:20 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by cryingdragon:
Nah, it just did well because of the portrait of Jim Hensen in the background :P |
You would think if that was the case then there would be some serious DNMC as he is NOT in color. ;D
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11/03/2006 08:15:00 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Bokeh definitions and misunderstandings I can see - but Portraits? Wow, we are really anal as a group - eh? :D |
Sung to row-row-row your boat.
flog flog flog that horse
until it seems a crime
Oops! You missed a piece of it
so flog it one more time
:-D
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11/03/2006 09:13:34 PM · #41 |
ROFL....Love it & agree...lol
[quote=stdavidson] People have their underwear on way to tight if they think there is a serious enough difference between a portrait and a candid to matter in the current challenge.
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11/03/2006 10:53:30 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
People have their underwear on way to tight if they think there is a serious enough difference between a portrait and a candid to matter in the current challenge.
Most DPCers are still trying to figure out what all those little dials and buttons on their camera are for. |
Oh I've been sprung! And I thought I was doing a fair imitation of someone that has a clue. *sigh* I'm leaving now, I have a manual to read. |
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11/03/2006 11:46:03 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by thebugsmommy:
Saw a comment that said "this is more of a candid than a portrait...". |
I got a comment in exact same words. I grinned.
Candid portraits are my _favourite_ kind of portraits. |
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11/04/2006 12:22:30 AM · #44 |
Why anyone uses their concept of a challenge to mark punitively is beyond me. The only issue is photography...and making it a personal concept of what you think a challenge is about is ridiculous. Use a general definition, look one up, take a look a the shots and enjoy what people are doing. Mark the shots with regards to the challenge in mind...sure, but when the arguments turn to "the way I see it" there is likely a problem...
Canadian Oxford: a representation of a person or animal, esp. of the face...
Wikipedia: A portrait is a painting, photograph, or other artistic representation of a person. Portraits are often simple head shots or mug shots and are not usually overly elaborate. The intent is to show the basic appearance of the person, and occasionally some artistic insight into his or her personality.
The two definitions are not in agreement with regards to person/animal. So why not simply give individuals the room to enter shots of animals..what possible harm could come from that?
Any discussion of candid vs. portrait is simply irrelevant..the shot either focuses of the individual subject, and reveals something about them or doesn't... |
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11/04/2006 07:24:12 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Bokeh definitions and misunderstandings I can see - but Portraits? Wow, we are really anal as a group - eh? :D |
Sung to row-row-row your boat.
flog flog flog that horse
until it seems a crime
Oops! You missed a piece of it
so flog it one more time
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LMAO!!!
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11/04/2006 07:43:59 AM · #46 |
The question I have for the OP is would your rather not get the comment and have no clue why the voter reacted to your image with a low score or would you rather get the comment and get some understanding why your image didn't connect with the voters?
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11/04/2006 07:54:55 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by nsoroma79:
Yeah... I was just thinking this. I got a comment that said that my meets challenge "Score" was a 2! It's a person, it's in landscape format.... How the heck does it NMC!?!?!?
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Okay...and I got this rating (where the categories come from I don't know...) and it ticked me off no end: wanted to reply and say something about if it was such a useless picture, why bother commenting:
Meets the Challenge: 2
Technical: 1
Ingenuity: 0 (ZERO?)
Appeal: 1
Opinion: 1
Hmmm...irked to say the least.
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11/04/2006 08:28:42 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Bokeh definitions and misunderstandings I can see - but Portraits? Wow, we are really anal as a group - eh? :D |
Sung to row-row-row your boat.
flog flog flog that horse
until it seems a crime
Oops! You missed a piece of it
so flog it one more time
:-D |
He-he. Good one Leroy. Ummmm...... was that in response to the "BoXXX" (afraid to actually use it now) word surfacing again, or in response to this thread? :P
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11/04/2006 09:32:30 PM · #49 |
| hmm I am wondering.. some one also commented that to my picture. this is more of a candid than a portrait. |
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